I Is internal battery "emf" a conservative force?

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The electric force established by a battery across its terminals is conservative, represented by the voltage potential V. However, a battery also converts chemical energy to provide electrical energy, which involves a "push" force on charges, distinct from electromotive force (emf). This "push" force is not a conservative force; rather, the electric field generated by the chemical reactions within the battery is non-conservative. The discussion confirms that while the electric field from a battery's terminals is conservative, the internal emf related to chemical reactions is not. Further references on this distinction are sought for deeper understanding.
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First, the electric/Coulomb force set up by a battery across its terminal is conservative, and its potential is given by the well-known V. I also understand the conventional usage of emf is as a voltage potential.

However, a battery does more than just set up the electric field and its associated voltage - it provides electrical energy, by conversion from its chemical energy, to push charges to higher potential. Is this "push" force on charges, or internal emf, a conservative force?
 
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The push force and the electromotive force are not the same thing.
The former is electrostatic force, and the latter is voltage (energy-to-charge ratio).
 
STosh9 said:
Is this "push" force on charges, or internal emf, a conservative force?
No. Electric field due to the chemical reaction in the battery is non-conservative in nature.
 
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cnh1995 said:
No. Electric field due to the chemical reaction in the battery is non-conservative in nature.

Thanks cnh1995 for confirming my suspicion. Would you have any references handy that explains this more?
 
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