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I have to go to Philadelphia later this week...can anyone recommend a nice Jazz club there?
I Googled Philadelphia jazz clubs and got this page:WhoWee said:I have to go to Philadelphia later this week...can anyone recommend a nice Jazz club there?
Anybody that thinks performing improvisational music requires no talent simply has no clue. I have had to hang it up due to chemical sensitivities (perfumes, etc) but played professionally at least part time for almost 40 years. The bands were fun, but the most fun (and the most demanding) was running open-mike jams. Musicians would show up with all kinds of songs they wanted to play and in various genres. It was billed as a weekly blues jam but it was certainly not uncommon for musicians to show up ready to play country, blues, rock, jazz, west-coast swing, etc. There's only one way to pull this off on guitar, and that is to become really proficient at barre chords and related scales so you can play in any key on demand.BWV said:In regards to the pig-ignorant statement of Jazz "requiring no talent", that view is not shared by any classical composer or performer I am aware of. Unless Cyrus thinks he is a better judge of talent than Stravinsky or Ravel or Debussy.
turbo-1 said:Anybody that thinks performing improvisational music requires no talent simply has no clue.
BWV said:Case in point, let your average conservatory student try to follow these changes:
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Imagine the fun that ensues when an advanced jazz student or instructor shows up with chops like that AND you have no chart to follow - just your ears. I'd just grin, shake my head, and give them the stage. There was a bass-player, guitarist, and tenor sax player that sometimes would show up together and they had some pretty hot material worked out. I'd put down my guitar and either sit it out for a mini-concert of jazz or sit in on drums.BWV said:Case in point, let your average conservatory student try to follow these changes:
chaoseverlasting said:Are you serious? Get your head outta your ***.
turbo-1 said:Personal insults are not a good way to settle an argument that you can't win.
dontdisturbmycircles said:Just cause something is difficult doesn't mean its impressive:
case in point:
Although I suppose some may find that impressive, lol!
dontdisturbmycircles said:Just cause something is difficult doesn't mean its impressive:
case in point:
Although I suppose some may find that impressive, lol!
You painted yourself into a corner, Cy. Now you're trying to Lie yourself out of it. Bring up your best DJ friends and their gear and let me familiarize myself with their equipment. I'll let them play with all my guitars and amps. At the end of a week, who can perform on whose equipment and acquit themselves more skillfully? If you think your DJ buddies can out-perform a professional guitarist in 7 days, you are delusional. Please catch a clue.Cyrus said:I had to sit down in awe.
On a more serious note, Turbo thinks its easy. So easy in fact that 'he would be the best in the world if he tried'.
This kids pretty good:
turbo-1 said:You painted yourself into a corner, Cy. Now you're trying to Lie yourself out of it. Bring up your best DJ friends and their gear and let me familiarize myself with their equipment. I'll let them play with all my guitars and amps. At the end of a week, who can perform on whose equipment and acquit themselves more skillfully? If you think your DJ buddies can out-perform a professional guitarist in 7 days, you are delusional. Please catch a clue.
I never said that your DJ friends are the best in the world, and I certainly wouldn't claim that I am the best guitarist in the world. I can state with absolute certainty that with very minimal time, I can do a better job as a DJ than any DJ can do as a guitarist. If you claim otherwise, I suggest that you ask them how they think that they would fare.Cyrus said:What kind of nonsense is this, turbo. My 'best DJ friends', are not the best DJs in the world - and I never claimed they were. Your who can perform on whose equipment means jack squat. Unless YOU can perform BETTER than the best DJs in the world (as you claimed), you're talking out of your tooshey. You said, "I can play better than any of those DJs if I wanted to". The answer is NO YOU CANT. So instead of admitting it and respecting the work of fellow musicians, you cry oh they arent musicians. They just steal peoples music. How pathetic, turbo. Do you hear DJs saying, oh Jazz artists just bastardize classical music with all that random noise no one wants to hear. They work the classical artists out of a job! No, at least DJs show some respect. Why can't you do the same?
turbo-1 said:I can state with absolute certainty that with very minimal time, I can do a better job as a DJ than any DJ can do as a guitarist.
If you claim otherwise, I suggest that you ask them how they think that they would fare.
DJs are not musicians. To be a musician, you have to actually learn how to play an instrument, master it, and learn how to apply that knowledge to work with others and make a finished product. It is not enough to know how to make a few chords or to play a lead or two - if you are to perform live and be good at it, you have to have a large repertoire of moves and be able to execute them seamlessly.
I see that you have gone back to the position that you previously said you didn't really mean (bolded) that shows you don't really have a clue about performing arts. Playing improvisational music is demanding, and it is very apparent that you have never done so, nor do you have an informed viewpoint on it. Jazz is not a perversion of classical music, any more than rock or blues are. Music is evolutionary, and has to be viewed as such. You are a consumer, not a producer, and have a (conveniently) narrow perspective.
BTW, I know people who play classical music, including a classmate from college who spent his summers touring Europe and sitting in as a guest violinist in some of the finest orchestras. He didn't think jazz was noise, and he used to sit in with me and my friends when we played blues/rock/whatever. Your very narrow definitions of good/bad amount to nothing more than straw-man arguments, in which you can paint something in a negative light and then diss it. I played classical music, traditional music, marches, etc in HS, and liked all of it. The most fun I had in that period was playing tight, but improvisational music along the lines of the Tijuana Brass - another trumpet player, a baritone and tuba player wanted to do some ensemble work, and we worked up a nice set of tunes.
BWV said:Well this disc is DJs making new music. DJ Cam's remix of In a Silent Way is brilliant
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