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In summary: also when the black lady filming swiftly kicked into gear and robbed some of his stuff from in his bag.
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dude, i don't know what you're worried about. if these guys were to run california and the rest of the southwest the way mexico is run today, then no mexicans would want to be there. they would be spilling over the border into Canada and what was left of the USA chasing greenbacks and loonies.
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Char. Limit said:
Though he uses race references and "revolution" right next to each other I did not get any indication that he was inciting violent revolution against whites. He is using charged rhetoric. "Revolution" is often used as a synonym for striving towards great political change by more radically socialist groups. You'll note that he says these people going to their offices and working are part of the "revolution".
The only thing that I really found all that bothersome about the speech was the appeal to racial pride and unity which makes me cringe regardless of context. Other than that it just seemed typical inflamed socialist rhetoric.
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Proton Soup said:
Try telling them that. If you do, tell us how well it went.
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TheStatutoryApe said:
'Tis true, my friend. However, he is not the only one, and others do attempt to incite a violent rebellion. Them, I worry about. In addition, as you said, racial pride (and racial guilt) is overall negative. Take pride in yourself, maybe your nationality, but not your race. To use truly accurate terms, a person of light skin color (we're not white, we're more pinkish) does not make me take pride in their achievements any more than a person of dark skin coloring would.
Ah, the refreshing ambiguity of the singular they.
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Char. Limit said:
them who? la raza? i don't really care. let them run for office here, it's a free country. if they do well, if the communities they serve in are successful, then the people there will reward them with re-election and their movement will grow. else, if the economies they occupy falter, people will see them for what they are and the movement will die off.
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Proton Soup said:
I can't argue against that. Concedo.
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Could a desire to increase "gang" presence and drug trafficking have anything to do with this?
Uhhh... YES!
Uhhh... YES!
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Gee, I thought the Tea Party members were supposed to be one of the more dangerous groups?
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pallidin said:
A college professor speaking to students, faculty, and professionals is supporting gangs and drug trafficking? You're joking right?
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TheStatutoryApe said:
He is not a professor, he is a high school history teacher, and if anything a skewed history at that.
Here is his page at his place of employment:
http://www.santeefalcons.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=82977&type=u&rn=2527821
Educaton
Santa Monica High School '99
San Diego State University '04 Social Science, Chicana/Chicano Studies
UCLA '06, Masters Education (postgraduate)
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cronxeh said:
Pardon the mistake. Does it make any difference to my point? High school teachers are more supportive of gangs and drugs you think?
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TheStatutoryApe said:
Either they sympathize with their position or get their *** handed to them. Teaching high school is occupational hazard, especially in inner city neighborhoods and jungles of LA.
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cronxeh said:
It is certainly more dangerous, I won't deny that, but I think perhaps you have been watching too many movies. The teachers may sympathize with the kids in gangs knowing that it is dangerous to be a kid in that area not affiliated with a gang and realizing the peer pressure. These same teachers though would much rather see their students get out of the gangs, they do not support them they only realize that it is a reality of the world these kids live in. And it is probably rather few teachers that are at all sympathetic. The reason it is dangerous to be a teacher in these areas is because telling these kids who have no respect for authority figures what to do is likely to make them a target. Most teachers would likely rather get rid of these kids and have nothing to do with them.
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I just read a bit more on this MEChA thing. These guys are threatening secession. Remember the last time someone threatened secession?
I'm hoping these wackos get their way, so that we can make war on them as a foreign and invading nation. Teach these secessionists a lesson, I say.
I'm hoping these wackos get their way, so that we can make war on them as a foreign and invading nation. Teach these secessionists a lesson, I say.
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Char. Limit said:
So your solution is to basically murder them for voicing their opinions. For now its covered under the free speech clause, and that is the beauty of this country, you can vent your feelings without any consequences, and I guess most people cool off and move on to other things. Those who actually move to the next phase from propaganda to action usually encounter ATF or FBI as a roadblock during their attempts to obtain weapons or explosives, or during planning phases or even execution phases.
I think this is a failure of LAPD as a whole, and their incompetence to control the gangs in LA. Their inability to police the city has endangered the entire country. They allowed the spread of MS-13 under their 'watchful eye'. At this point in time they can no longer attract enough personnel due to the bankrupt state, and it has caused a systemic failure.
Compared to LAPD, NYPD uses 2.78 times more money to get the job done with 3.51 times more officers for a city of 2.2 times more people but with almost half the land area. The LAPD should have hired at least 6000 more officers to get this job done, not accounting for all the illegals that are in LA. If you account the illegals then LAPD should be at least 10000 more officers strong. This is a failure of planning, policing, and leadership.
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Don't blame all of LA's gang/crime problems on the LAPD. Some of the blame should go to these wonderful http://www.copwatchla.org/". Also don't forget the ACLU. Sue and put a cop in jail for doing his job and see how many new officers that can be hired, and look for large amounts of apathy from the ones on the force.
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Argentum Vulpes said:
Well then the citizens get what they deserve. Let them get stabbed and welfared into bankruptcy. From this side I will be laughing the loudest at the Cali way.
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Hell I'm worried that California will become the USAs Greece. Maybe dumping it off to Mexico isn't such a bad idea, or the big one could hit and dump the southern half of the state into the ocean.
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Argentum Vulpes said:
California accounts for a rather substantial fraction of this country's economy.
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That maybe true but California is looking at some of the same problems that Greece had/has. Large unsecured pensions that are forcing many cites in California into http://www.scpr.org/news/2009/07/16/california-pensions-forcing-cities-bankruptcy/" . This is the biggest and most deadly one but there are many more that are facing the state.
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cronxeh said:
I feel a need to say that I never mentioned the word "murder". I said war as on a foreign nation. That means military targets only. It wouldn't be our fault if large numbers of Aztlanites joined their army because they were so proud of their new nation... I never have and never will advocate the destruction of civilian targets. And I would wait until they seceded before I attacked their military ones. You'll get a lot more from me than you would from many people on hearing the situation.
And hey, what they're planning is a demographic invasion. If they succeed, if they secede, than the U.S. has every right to make war upon the seceders. For some reason, however, the last group to try it is still mad about the outcome...
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I think the Rally car guys would take the Nascar guys on a tight course. On a longer course with long straightaways, the Nascar guys might take them. Those Rally cars do pull hard out of the turns and accelerate very hard, but likely don't have the same top-end speed as the Nascars do.
Oh wait, wrong "Race War", my mistake...
Oh wait, wrong "Race War", my mistake...
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Char. Limit said:
Getting your *** handed to you does tend to engender a certain degree of lasting resentment. Hoping for war or civil unrest is rough however, it doesn't go well for any side. These "race war" people are dangerous however, it's like the palestinian desire for return, which would be demographic invasion as well.
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I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others. This attitude is reinforced on a saturday nigth on FOX channel, when a cop chases a black guy who was stupid enough to spill his guts to the cops and confess to all the crimes and say 'yeah I guess I am just dumb, sir, I'm sorry'. Its fun to watch, but at some point you wonder to yourself, are they really all that stupid? Can't be, right? Its statistically implausible something's got to give. Then you look at the movie industry and a few names jump out:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1407061/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462244/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391137/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490196/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118589/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/"
What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 4/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.
Low ratings translate into low rentals, which translate into low income for the actors and lower status among the rest of the actors. You won't necessarily see them on the red carpet if they are even invited.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1407061/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462244/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391137/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490196/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118589/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/"
What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 4/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.
Low ratings translate into low rentals, which translate into low income for the actors and lower status among the rest of the actors. You won't necessarily see them on the red carpet if they are even invited.
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IcedEcliptic said:
I know its kind of like out of the left field there, I was browsing stuff to download (im on vacation) and I got myself some Sneakers and True Lies of course, and sure enough I kept browsing and stumbled upon some of the worst rated movies on imdb. Hey look they are all black, my corpus collosum reported, 'are they packing heat and carrying drugs?' my frontal lobe wondered, 'something smells funny' my parietal lobe responded, 'wasnt us' the external anal sphincter reported.. and then I thought.. weird?
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cronxeh said:
Hum, I see. I don't know enough about movies to really judge.
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cronxeh said:
Wait... J Lo is black? Since when. I thought she was Puerto Rican?
Or, you are seeing the effects of sampling error. The people who rate films on IMDB and base rental decisions off the IMDB rating.
And how do you reconcile your conclusion with films which are consider classics that have black actors in leading roles? For instance, The Shawshank Redemption (number one movie on IMDB), Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, Se7en, etc?
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Norman said:
Mariah Carey's father is Black/Venezuelan American. Mother is White Irish-American.
Shawshank Redemption has Morgan Freeman, one guy? Pulp Fiction has the writer and director (Quentin Tarantino) with half a dozen n word lines in the movie and one of the lead black characters gets sodomized by a redneck in the movie. The Matrix? Ok 1 black guy to keep it EEO. Se7en? I don't think that's even considered a movie.
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Everyone else is white in Gigli, but it must be due to J Lo being Puerto Rican. But it must be the racists on IMDB...cronxeh said:
Did you not previously disregard the plot of a movie and say only the race of the main actors matter? And what exactly does Tarantino appearing in the film have to do with your premise?
So what exactly is the IMDB racial makeup threshold for downgrading a movie?
I think you are just mad because your favorite movies were given bad reviews at IMDB**
**I am just being cheeky here.
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Are you suggesting Cops is scripted?
Or that they're purposely using mostly footage of black criminals being captured due to racism?
All those movies got bad ratings because there's black actors in them and not because they're bad movies?
There's tons of movies with black actors in them that got great reviews and tons of movies with all white people in them that got bad reviews.
I honestly can't tell whether you're being facetious or not.
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leroyjenkens said:
I can't either. I decided to assume he wasn't and if I come off as horribly daft, so be it.