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[zomgwtf]

Lol cronxeh, I think the amount of movies with lead white actors has a proportional amount of 'good ratings/bad ratings' relative to the other races... Unless we start counting African movies and such, then those movies in the American market would probably all be rated pretty low. Anyone here ever seen a Nigerian movie? Oh god, juju and really LOUD praying all over the place.

Anyway the point being is that the movies are probably not rated as bad simply because there are black people in lead roles not getting lynched or what have you. They simply could have not been good.

How would the classics that have black actors/producers/directors etc. be explained by your theory? I mean sure there are plenty of movies with black lead actors and the movie is about racism... does that mean that the people who liked the movie or thought the actor was superb (enough to be nominated for and in some cases WIN a Academy Award) are all racist? Hardly, it means that the movie was extremely well done and it's getting credit it deserves.
Maybe your theory was true back in 60-90s but I hardly think it's valid for 2010.

 

[Mu naught]

If you want to look for racism you'll find it.

The Shawshank Redemption stared Morgan Freeman and was an excellent movie, but if you want to find racism you can complain about about a black man being in prison... seriously just grow up please.

 

[cronxeh]

Do any of you actually have a counter-argument? You know, examples, statistics, numbers, .. facts?

 

[Norman]

Do any of you actually have a counter-argument? You know, examples, statistics, numbers, .. facts?

Debunking baseless, anecdotal premises with examples, statistics, numbers, ... and facts would just be really poor form.

Sine you don't consider Se7en a movie, I can only conclude that you don't consider any of the things you linked to as movies either.

 

[cronxeh]

Debunking baseless, anecdotal premises with examples, statistics, numbers, ... and facts would just be really poor form.

Sine you don't consider Se7en a movie, I can only conclude that you don't consider any of the things you linked to as movies either.

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

 

[zomgwtf]

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

I don't think that counts as a statistic for racism in movie ratings at all. First of all it's limited to the top 10 movies, second of all that seems like a rediculously large amount of lead actors hmmm. Third of all, even if this statistic did show racism was present, it would only show that on IMDB there are people who are racist... Nothing really about movies in general or movie rating in general. We don't have to counter your claim with anything. You have to prove it.

 

[Norman]

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

Let me try to get you to refine your premise slightly, because I think I may have been slightly misunderstanding you. I thought your grievance was with the IMDB rating. Are you saying that hollywood (I will use the term "hollywood" to mean the motion picture industry- I am not sure what you mean by the word "media" in the context of your statement) is not allowing non-white actors the opportunities to star in top 10 quality films? Or are you saying something else?

As far as some all-reaching, hollywood racist stranglehold- I think you are wrong. Today. 30 years ago, you were probably right.

Actually, a thought has occurred to me. Hollywood is in the business of putting "beautiful" people in movies. I wonder if there is some Eurocentric ideal of beauty at work here.

 

[leroyjenkens]

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

You want facts, but you present none yourself. What does your statistic say? It says nothing about the prejudice of people who rate movies.

I could say the same about the lack of top 250 movies with lead actors with heterochromia of the eyes. Since there's few, if any, I'd say there's a prejudice against them.

The movies you listed with black actors are just bad, that's why their ratings are low. It has nothing to do with the race of the actors.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

This has gone in an odd direction given the OP. As I have said, I am not enough of a movie fan to really make a judgment, but nothing I've read here has anything to do with a race war, La Raza, Immigration, or even evidence to confirm or falsify the notion of a racist movie industry. I don't know, it seems possible, but there seems to be a bit of ignoring the many failed movies with white actors.

What about the reality of antisemitism? Other than changing names, that doesn't seem to slow people down. Hispanic actors, such as Antonia Bandares, Jennifer Lopez, Salma Hayek, and more are superstars. Richard Pryor acted, Danny Glover, Sidney Poitier, Eric Estrada, Eddie Murphey... and countless others black, brown and in between. Hollywood seemed to be racist when they cast white people as Asians, and the Oscars certainly are biased, but is that because the INDUSTRY is racist, or just a legacy of racism or a per-capita issue?

 

[Nebula815]

Hollywood is very liberal and has lots of Jews, how could it be racist (usually people racist against minorities also hate Jews).

On minority actors in Hollywood, don't forget highly-paid big megastars Denzel Washington and Will Smith.

 

[Proton Soup]

Hollywood is very liberal and has lots of Jews, how could it be racist (usually people racist against minorities also hate Jews).

On minority actors in Hollywood, don't forget highly-paid big megastars Denzel Washington and Will Smith.

why do you assume jews aren't racist ?

 

[Nebula815]

Never really thought about it that way, interesting point. But even if some are, Hollywood has a very diverse set of actors and actresses I think now.

 

[Proton Soup]

Never really thought about it that way, interesting point. But even if some are, Hollywood has a very diverse set of actors and actresses I think now.

maybe. how would you know? the leadership is pretty jewish, according to Joel Stein.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I would believe that any group can be racist, but I don't know that jews as a rule are particularly racist. It isn't what I was driving at, but I understand the quandary Proton Soup has presented us with. Huh.

 

[cronxeh]

Ah yes, the Jews.

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Cultur...t-patrols-curb-crime-and-generate-controversy

In NYC there exists an organization called Shomrim that drives vehicles that are marked like NYPD cars, except it says Shomrim on them. They also have portable handheld radios, a dispatch system, and regular patrols. There were several incidents when black kids would clash with jewish kids and beat them up, and vice versa.

The irony is that there is no 'black' patrol, but there is 'Jewish' patrol. There is also a Jewish ambulance that services mostly only Jewish residents in NYC called Hatzolah (although they can't decide how to name themselves and variate it as Hatzalah, Hotzolah, Hotzoloh). It is an example of racism in a sense that they dislike everyone who isn't them. There are also a lot of members of NYPD who join Shomrim (even a 3 star chief who is a female).

But if its about patroling, NYPD has an Auxiliary division, of course they service everyone not just the jews.


Take a look at their logo:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bp%20shomrim%20logo1.jpg
vs
NYPD
http://www.emunahmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nypd.jpg

Some of their vehicles:
http://www.crownheights.info/media/4/20080328-junior-shomrim.jpg
http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/uploaded_images/shmrim-794366.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4283115630_844dc3dd31.jpg
http://whoisshmira.files.wordpress....omrim-tickets-71st-nypd-shmira-cop-mesira.jpg
http://www.crownheights.info/media/new%20shomrim%20rmp/1.jpg

And of course commingling with the Jewish mayor:
http://crownheightsshomrim.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shomrim-of-crown-heights.jpg

Something to consider: 12% of NYC is jewish, while 27% is black and 27% is hispanic, with 45% white

It seems the only thing jews are missing is a fire department

 

[Char. Limit]

Actually, he has a point.

Hollywood is liberal.
As any liberal will tell you, liberals aren't racist.
Therefore, Hollywood isn't racist.

See if you can spot the fallacy! (Hint: it's in the second step)

And Cronx, like it or not, the Jewish Vote in New York is enough to justify all of that. When the Black Vote or the Hispanic Vote become the driving forces in NYC, then they'll have their own police force.

 

[cronxeh]

And Cronx, like it or not, the Jewish Vote in New York is enough to justify all of that. When the Black Vote or the Hispanic Vote become the driving forces in NYC, then they'll have their own police force.

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? (Although 12% < 27% by voters)

What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Ah yes, the Jews.

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Cultur...t-patrols-curb-crime-and-generate-controversy

In NYC there exists an organization called Shomrim that drives vehicles that are marked like NYPD cars, except it says Shomrim on them. They also have portable handheld radios, a dispatch system, and regular patrols. There were several incidents when black kids would clash with jewish kids and beat them up, and vice versa.

The irony is that there is no 'black' patrol, but there is 'Jewish' patrol. There is also a Jewish ambulance that services mostly only Jewish residents in NYC called Hatzolah (although they can't decide how to name themselves and variate it as Hatzalah, Hotzolah, Hotzoloh). It is an example of racism in a sense that they dislike everyone who isn't them. There are also a lot of members of NYPD who join Shomrim (even a 3 star chief who is a female).

But if its about patroling, NYPD has an Auxiliary division, of course they service everyone not just the jews.


Take a look at their logo:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bp%20shomrim%20logo1.jpg
vs
NYPD
http://www.emunahmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nypd.jpg

Some of their vehicles:
http://www.crownheights.info/media/4/20080328-junior-shomrim.jpg
http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/uploaded_images/shmrim-794366.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4283115630_844dc3dd31.jpg
http://whoisshmira.files.wordpress....omrim-tickets-71st-nypd-shmira-cop-mesira.jpg
http://www.crownheights.info/media/new%20shomrim%20rmp/1.jpg

And of course commingling with the Jewish mayor:
http://crownheightsshomrim.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shomrim-of-crown-heights.jpg

Something to consider: 12% of NYC is jewish, while 27% is black and 27% is hispanic, with 45% white

It seems the only thing jews are missing is a fire department

Just a political reality. Christians have their own army, I believe it is called the US Army. Let's not forget that while Christians are a minority in the USA, our science and social policies are driven by their sensitivities.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

You mean, like the Apollo Theatre often is in practice? Or, the Boy Scouts of America? Or government? You mean, the way that women are barred from military positions, and are paid less? It's not right, it just is.

From what I understand, there are religious sensitivities when it comes to medicine and the whole Kosher and Halal issues, for Jews and Muslims. That isn't exclusion, but a catered service.

 

[zomgwtf]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

This patrol isn't stopping blacks or italians from getting out on the streets on its watch. They are just looking out for the community, with specific emphasis on the jewish community who they feel is 'preyed upon'. I don't really feel this is racist at all, just looking out for yourself, your family, your friends, and your 'brethren'. Nothing you said makes me feel that this Jew patrol is racist at all.

I disagree that it has to do with votes though, I think if the black community wanted to set up their own patrol they would be more than welcome to. As long as the conduct themselves in a non-racist way... otherwise it's just a gang. In fact the black community DOES have a sort of 'look-out' patrol, FOR THE ENTIRE NATION! Multitudes of reverends and 'black rights activist' who go and riot/protest every other black persons death.

EDIT: I noticed I had worded something horribly lol, just changed it.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

This patrol isn't letting blacks or italians out on the streets on its watch. They are just looking out for the community, with specific emphasis on the jewish community who they feel is 'preyed upon'. I don't really feel this is racist at all, just looking out for yourself, your family, your friends, and your 'brethren'. Nothing you said makes me feel that this Jew patrol is racist at all.

I disagree that it has to do with votes though, I think if the black community wanted to set up their own patrol they would be more than welcome to. As long as the conduct themselves in a non-racist way... otherwise it's just a gang. In fact the black community DOES have a sort of 'look-out' patrol, FOR THE ENTIRE NATION! Multitudes of reverends and 'black rights activist' who go and riot/protest every other black persons death.

Muslims have the concept of their Umah, for black people, the Black Panthers spring to mind.

 

[Char. Limit]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? (Although 12% < 27% by voters)

What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

I see a perfect opportunity to return the thread to its rails...

While I wouldn't use the word "ok", if you have the votes, you can push forward a racist platform. As evidence, I offer up... La Raza! You know, the original topic. They campaign on a message of "whitey's evil, whitey's going to die, whitey's going to get deported" and they get votes. They get votes because even though their program is racist... Actually, they get votes because their message is racist, and the racism appeals to the nonwhite people who feel that way (note: not all nonwhite people feel that way). So if it works for La Raza, why would it not work for others?

 

[WhoWee]

Just a political reality. Christians have their own army, I believe it is called the US Army. Let's not forget that while Christians are a minority in the USA, our science and social policies are driven by their sensitivities.

Care to back up any of this...maybe even explain your comments a bit?

 

[WhoWee]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? (Although 12% < 27% by voters)

Are we back to the discussion of illegal aliens?

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Care to back up any of this...maybe even explain your comments a bit?

Stem cell research would be one, abortion another, you can't be an atheist according to the Boy Scouts of America, and so forth. You can argue for whether that is right or wrong, moral or immoral, but it is a political and social reality. For the US Army, I don't need to back the women comment, because that is published law, as are studies of rape and other abuses within the ranks, and the manner in which this has been handled. Better than some countries, but the Israelis think you are hilarious; their women can double-tap someone at 300 meters with an old Kalashnikov.

The religion is harder to prove, but there have been some well publicized instnances of evangelism run amok, but that is possibly a minority. That the US Military is predominantly christian is not up for debate, it just is. I don't believe it keeps the job from being done, but in a nation that is not majority christian, it stands out.

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

That the US Military is predominantly christian is not up for debate, it just is. I don't believe it keeps the job from being done, but in a nation that is not majority christian, it stands out.

The majority of the US population is christian, their percentage of the population as a whole being in the vicinity of 70-80%. Its the fundamentalists and evangelicals that are minority.

 

[GRB 080319B]

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We remain a hunted people. Now, you think you have a destiny to fulfill in this land that has historically been ours for 40,000 years. And we're a new Mestizo nation. This is our homeland. We cannot, we will not, and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants who came from another country to another country. We are migrants free to travel the length and breadth of the America because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They're dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population.

Jose Angel Gutierrez – Professor and Founder for the Center for Mexican American Studies at University of Texas, Arlington

Its not enough to elect latino leadership, if they're supporting legislation that denies the undocumented. They don't belong in office, friends. They don't belong here.

Antonio Villaraigosa - Mayor of Los Angeles

And those rednecks, who are out there making descisions for the betterment of their communities will think twice before they push forward on anti-immigrant legislation against our community. You can be as revolutionary as you want. You can be Chicano-nationalist. You can believe in the concept of Aztlan. You can believe in the concept of multi-culturalism. We don't have to give our lives. We're not at that point. But we can give a little.

Fabian Nunez – 66th Speaker of the California State Assembly

Aztlan. A nation of Aztlan. You know, when the extreme right-wing talks about Aztlan, I guess it's from a guilty complex, because they know what they did in Texas.

Herman Baca – Chicano Committee on Civil Rights

We have the armor. We have the infantry. We have the artillery. We have them combined under one organized command, so we can wage an effective combative war against those racists that are trying to contain, discriminate and impede our development.

Armando Navarro – Professor of Ethnic Studies at UC Riverside

The last gasp of white America. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor, when I was in the Senate, why do fight so hard for affirmative action programs. And I tell my white colleagues, “Because your going to need them.”

Art Torres – Chairman of the California Democratic Party

But when we look at, in the audience, and we see La Familia, La Raza, you know it's a great feeling. Isn't it a good feeling? And then, you know, I started to think about that and I said, it reminded me of a book we all read and have all heard about. You know, Paul Revere, and when he was saying “The British are coming, The British are coming.” Well, the Latinos are coming, the Latinos are coming. So that's what this agenda is about. It's about assuring that we increase our numbers. That we increase our numbers at every level. And let me tell you, we can't go back. You know, we're in a civil war. United Latinos will win.

Joe Baca – United States Congressman from California's 43rd district

The de facto elimination of the border between Mexico and the United States. I believe that the debate revolving around our immigration policy should reflect the fact that this phenomenon is underway.

Tom Tancredo – United States Congressman from Colorado's 6th district

La Raza's student organization, M.E.Ch.A., is present in most public schools and colleges in the Southwest. The founding documents of M.E.Ch.A. call for the repatriation of the Southwestern United States to Mexico and the expulsion of people of European descent from
Aztlan.

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html#1"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/aztlan.html"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/st_barbara.html"
http://www.bruinalumni.com/antonio/antonioindex.html"

Arizona is attempting to crack down on organizations like M.E.Ch.A. that masquerade as an Ethnic Studies class in order to promote racial supremacy and secessionist sentiments.
"[URL
Overview Arizona H2281[/URL]
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281h.htm"

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

GRB, maybe you can actually discuss the issue here instead of simply posting links and quotes?

 

[drankin]

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Jose Angel Gutierrez – Professor and Founder for the Center for Mexican American Studies at University of Texas, Arlington


Antonio Villaraigosa - Mayor of Los Angeles


Fabian Nunez – 66th Speaker of the California State Assembly


Herman Baca – Chicano Committee on Civil Rights


Armando Navarro – Professor of Ethnic Studies at UC Riverside


Art Torres – Chairman of the California Democratic Party


Joe Baca – United States Congressman from California's 43rd district


Tom Tancredo – United States Congressman from Colorado's 6th district

La Raza's student organization, M.E.Ch.A., is present in most public schools and colleges in the Southwest. The founding documents of M.E.Ch.A. call for the repatriation of the Southwestern United States to Mexico and the expulsion of people of European descent from
Aztlan.

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/nat.html#1"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/aztlan.html"
http://www.utpa.edu/orgs/mecha/st_barbara.html"
http://www.bruinalumni.com/antonio/antonioindex.html"

Arizona is attempting to crack down on organizations like M.E.Ch.A. that masquerade as an Ethnic Studies class in order to promote racial supremacy and secessionist sentiments.
"[URL
Overview Arizona H2281[/URL]
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281h.htm"

Wow, a significant load of BS... and people listen to it. Basically, "I'm entitled to citizenship because of my race.".

 

[mheslep]

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Arizona is attempting to crack down on organizations like M.E.Ch.A. that masquerade as an Ethnic Studies class in order to promote racial supremacy and secessionist sentiments.
"[URL
Overview Arizona H2281[/URL]
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/hb2281h.htm"

These groups deserve exactly the same treatment as the Klu Klux Klan. There's a proven method in place for the problem, it is merely waiting for the will to execute it.

 

[Galteeth]

These groups deserve exactly the same treatment as the Klu Klux Klan. There's a proven method in place for the problem, it is merely waiting for the will to execute it.

Exposing their membership, passwords, and rituals via radio?

 

[mheslep]

Exposing their membership, passwords, and rituals via radio?

Lawsuits. Bankrupt them.

 

[thack45]

Racism in the U.S. will never go away before its profitabillity does - and prejudice will not go away because it is human nature.

 

[Char. Limit]

Racism is profitable now?

Please explain how racism is profitable...

 

[leroyjenkens]

Racism is profitable now?

Please explain how racism is profitable...