Is Suicide a Fundamental Human Right?

[the number 42]

I've tried a few times in the last 35 years but never succeeded. Every once in a while I pick up the .45 and consider it. Haven't been able to yet.

If I had the proper drugs, I might just succeed.

juju

Putting aside your right to decorate your apartment with your brains, why the hell would you want to? I have the right to see Broadway musicals, but its not one I'm going to fight very hard for.

 

[juju]

Putting aside your right to decorate your apartment with your brains, why the hell would you want to? I have the right to see Broadway musicals, but its not one I'm going to fight very hard for.

As far as I am concerned, most of the time my life appears to me as a jail cell, cesspool, torture chamber, and insane asylum.

I have a whole series of physical, psychological, emotional and mental problems. The last doctor I asked for medicines threw me out of his practice and denied me the use of his clinic because I dared to ask for what I needed. This wasn't the first time I asked for medicine from some doctor and was denied.

I am not saying that I can't deal with it anymore. As long as I am alive, there is no choice. However, it gets more difficult as time goes on and I am really getting fed up with it.

So, I have two possibilities, suicide or keep on truckin'.

juju

 

[russ_watters]

So, I have two possibilities, suicide or keep on truckin'.

juju

No, you have three choices: suicide, keep on truckin', or try a different approach. I strongly recommend the third.

 

[the number 42]

No, you have three choices: suicide, keep on truckin', or try a different approach. I strongly recommend the third.

Juju, for once I agree with Russ, except that he probably means you should join the Jehovah's Witnesses or something.

Really sorry you feel the way you do. How would your life need to be different in order for you to feel happier?

 

[juju]

No, you have three choices: suicide, keep on truckin', or try a different approach. I strongly recommend the third.

I have tried many different third approaches like ceremonial magic, mysticism, meditation, religion, hard work, introspection, self-criticism, and many more.

They don't work. None of them work.

Really sorry you feel the way you do. How would your life need to be different in order for you to feel happier?

Since my experience with doctors precludes any medicine, the only thing that seems to help are illegal drugs and they are expensive, hard to get, and of course, illegal.

juju

 

[learningphysics]

I have tried many different third approaches like ceremonial magic, mysticism, meditation, religion, hard work, introspection, self-criticism, and many more.

They don't work. None of them work.



Since my experience with doctors precludes any medicine, the only thing that seems to help are illegal drugs and they are expensive, hard to get, and of course, illegal.

juju

Juju, do you enjoy video games? For me, it helps a lot, gets my mind off any troubles, at least for a few hours. Anyway, just remember that your unhappiness is not your fault. Some people are just born with with a different brain chemistry. Can you see a different doctor?

 

[the number 42]

I have tried many different third approaches like ceremonial magic, mysticism, meditation, religion, hard work, introspection, self-criticism, and many more.

They don't work. None of them work.



Since my experience with doctors precludes any medicine, the only thing that seems to help are illegal drugs and they are expensive, hard to get, and of course, illegal.

juju

Okay, they sound like the kinds of things you might try in order to achieve something. With respect, what I asked was how your life would have to be different in order for you to feel happier e.g. would you like to own a golden retriever? Or would you like to have a view of XYZ from your window?

 

[juju]

Hi Guys,

I would first like to thank you all for your concern. I appreciate it much.

At present I really don't want anything. All my desire and will is focused on not having to experience that which I don't wish to experience.

My experiences in consciousness and awareness have led be to believe that I will exist after physical death. I have experienced other realities (only for a few seconds at a time) and these experiences were in many ways more real than my present life.

This is really the only path I see open to me. Everything you mention might work for someone else, however it all seems like a trivial distraction to me.

Thanks again.

juju

 

[the number 42]

At present I really don't want anything. All my desire and will is focused on not having to experience that which I don't wish to experience.

It works better if you put your back into experiencing those things that you wish to.

I have experienced other realities (only for a few seconds at a time) and these experiences were in many ways more real than my present life.

More real than your present life? How do you spend the day? What do you do/have you done for laughs? Its your right to avoid the question if you want to.

This is really the only path I see open to me. Everything you mention might work for someone else, however it all seems like a trivial distraction to me.

Doh! Trivial distractions rule! What do you think we are all doing on PF? Curing the world of gravity?

 

[BoulderHead]

Hey Juju,
I don't know what to say really, but I hope things do improve for you.
-BH

 

[honestrosewater]

juju,
What do you think is "the life worth living"? Or what do you picture life after death to be like?

 

[juju]

It works better if you put your back into experiencing those things that you wish to.

I have tried that, but the voices in my head (and body) sort of make it impossible. Although I do at times continue to try.

More real than your present life? How do you spend the day? What do you do/have you done for laughs? Its your right to avoid the question if you want to.

I get up. Smoke some cigarettes. Build my wood fire. Go out into the woods surrounding my cabin and gather wood. I saw, chop, and stack the wood. Go to my friends place and check email, do web surfing, and check the forums. Eat some lunch during this time. Go for a walk. Read or watch tv or listen to the radio or do more web surfing. Rest a while. Eat dinner. Feed the fire. Read or watch tv or listen to the radio some more. Have a snack. Go to sleep. That's my normal day. O, I talk to myself a lot. For laughs I tell myself jokes sometimes.

If you wonder where I get my money, I am on disability since I am really messed up.

juju

 

[juju]

juju,
What do you think is "the life worth living"? Or what do you picture life after death to be like?

To tell the truth on these questions I have no idea. But, I will make a try at answering.

Life worth living would have two components. One is that I would enjoy it. The other is that it would have some worth in both the present and future.

I often think that the only world I could be comfortable in is one in which I had the final say on the general rules of society.

As for life after death, the way I see it is that death is the first direction home. The end of the beginning. If I actually exist after death, I hope I can experience it fully as a unique adventure into other realities.

juju

 

[karen03grae]

I do not know how to post a question! Help! I will check this.

 

[honestrosewater]

Life worth living would have two components. One is that I would enjoy it. The other is that it would have some worth in both the present and future.

I often think that the only world I could be comfortable in is one in which I had the final say on the general rules of society.

As for life after death, the way I see it is that death is the first direction home. The end of the beginning. If I actually exist after death, I hope I can experience it fully as a unique adventure into other realities.

Well, I haven't found any reason to believe in life after death, so I haven't thought much about what it may actually be like. When I was 5 I imagined heaven as a huge playground on clouds instead of on grass and dirt. That's probably the gist of what my current image of heaven would be.

I have thought about what makes life worth living and have decided basically that life is like any other commodity in that it has no inherent worth but is assigned worth through use. That is, the process of living assigns life worth like the process of trading or warming assigns your firewood worth. Perhaps that sounds kind of sappy (get it- firewood, sappy, er, yeah)

Anyway, that doesn't mean your life is worth living, of course, you still have to evaluate its worth. It's a frightening process sometimes, for me at least, because it introduces the possibility that your life is worthless. When I evaluate my life I just try to be honest with myself and remember that I'm not contemplating action, just evaluating worth. Lots of good things can come from those evaluations.
I hope you would talk to someone before contemplating suicide. I don't know your situation, and I understand if you don't want to talk about it, but you can PM me if you ever want to. I have some problems similar to what you briefly mentioned, so maybe we can even help each other.

 

[the number 42]

I have tried that, but the voices in my head (and body) sort of make it impossible. Although I do at times continue to try.

"Taking into consideration the many voice-hearers who were living successfully in society and were not considered sick, Romme concluded that hearing voices need not be the direct cause of disability"
http://www.mentalhealth.org/publications/allpubs/KEN-01-0108/resonance.asp

I get up. Smoke some cigarettes. Build my wood fire. Go out into the woods surrounding my cabin and gather wood. I saw, chop, and stack the wood. Go to my friends place and check email, do web surfing, and check the forums. Eat some lunch during this time. Go for a walk. Read or watch tv or listen to the radio or do more web surfing. Rest a while. Eat dinner. Feed the fire. Read or watch tv or listen to the radio some more. Have a snack. Go to sleep. That's my normal day. O, I talk to myself a lot. For laughs I tell myself jokes sometimes

Sounds like you have the nice view I was asking about earlier. Did you choose to move there for some peace, or were you born there?

You obviously have some intelligence, but I wonder how much you get to flex it. Do you study, or has this been interupted? Have you tried distance-learning?

Hope you don't mind me asking questions.

 

[the number 42]

I have thought about what makes life worth living and have decided basically that life is like any other commodity in that it has no inherent worth but is assigned worth through use. That is, the process of living assigns life worth like the process of trading or warming assigns your firewood worth.

Interesting idea. Have you read Victor Frankl? Man's Search for Meaning is excellent. There are a few quotes here.
www.geocities.com/~webwinds/frankl/quotes.htm

 

[honestrosewater]

Interesting idea. Have you read Victor Frankl? Man's Search for Meaning is excellent. There are a few quotes here.
www.geocities.com/~webwinds/frankl/quotes.htm

I actually bought that book for my sister after reading the back matter. I've never read it though.

 

[juju]

Sounds like you have the nice view I was asking about earlier. Did you choose to move there for some peace, or were you born there?

You obviously have some intelligence, but I wonder how much you get to flex it. Do you study, or has this been interupted? Have you tried distance-learning?

Hope you don't mind me asking questions.

The place I live in belongs to some friends of mine. It is way out in the wooded hills. I live here and help them in their work at times.

I have a BS in physics. Went to graduate school for 3 months, but quit. They weren't teaching me anything new. The rest of my education was provided by life and my brain.

I hope you would talk to someone before contemplating suicide

I have been contemplating suicide for a long time. it has become a permanent backgraound fixture. I guess it says something that I have not actually done it by now.

I wouldn't say my life is totally worthless. Some of the things I have done I am sure are considered by others, with whom I have done them or for whom I have done them, as being worthwhile.

I guess I can't say that it is totally worthless to me either. At least I have become a somewhat intelligent, conscious, and aware entity. That has to count for something.

juju

 

[honestrosewater]

I have been contemplating suicide for a long time. it has become a permanent backgraound fixture.

Surround yourself with things that make you happy. That's the only advice I can give without knowing your situation. I know, find the TOE, that should keep you busy

 

[juju]

I know, find the TOE, that should keep you busy

Funny you should mention that. It is one of the ways I spend some of my time.

I have been considering various conceptual frameworks for a TOE for many years now. I am on at least my tenth iteration. (without any of the real heavy math)

juju

 

[honestrosewater]

I have been considering various conceptual frameworks for a TOE for many years now. I am on at least my tenth iteration. (without any of the real heavy math)

Great, if you succeed and become rich & famous you'll remember us, right?