Proving Entropy statement is equivalent to Clausius statement

In summary, the conversation discusses the application of the change in entropy equation for solids, where the temperature for each solid is not constant during heat exchange. It is mentioned that this is done by only allowing a small amount of heat transfer to prevent significant temperature changes before the bodies are separated. After separation, each body is allowed to re-equilibrate. The conversation also mentions a more precise way to write the equation for this process.
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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
##\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T}##
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I don't understand how we can apply the change in entropy equation for each solid since the ##\frac{dT}{dt}## for each solid will be non-zero until the solids reach thermal equilibrium. My textbook says that the ##\Delta S## for a system undergoing a reversible process at constant temperature is given by
##\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T}##, however, the temperature of the each solid is not constant while the heat is getting exchanged.

Dose anybody please know what allows them to do that?

Many thanks!
 
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They are allowing only a small amount of heat to transfer, so that the temperatures of the two bodies do not significantly change before they are separated. They are not allowing the combined system to reach thermal equilibrium. After the bodies are separated, each body is allowed to re-equilibrate by itself.

To be more precise, they should write $$T_{1f}=T_1-\frac{Q}{mC}$$ $$T_{2f}=T_2+\frac{Q}{mC}$$and $$\Delta S=mC\ln{(T_{1f}/T1)}+mC\ln{(T_{2f}/T2)}$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
They are allowing only a small amount of heat to transfer, so that the temperatures of the two bodies do not significantly change before they are separated. They are not allowing the combined system to reach thermal equilibrium. After the bodies are separated, each body is allowed to re-equilibrate by itself.

To be more precise, they should write $$T_{1f}=T_1-\frac{Q}{mC}$$ $$T_{2f}=T_2+\frac{Q}{mC}$$and $$\Delta S=mC\ln{(T_{1f}/T1)}+mC\ln{(T_{2f}/T2)}$$
Thank you for your help @Chestermiller ! That is very helpful!
 

Related to Proving Entropy statement is equivalent to Clausius statement

What is the Clausius statement of the second law of thermodynamics?

The Clausius statement of the second law of thermodynamics asserts that it is impossible for a self-acting machine, unaided by any external agency, to transfer heat from a cooler body to a hotter body. Essentially, heat cannot spontaneously flow from a colder location to a hotter location without external work being performed.

What is the entropy statement of the second law of thermodynamics?

The entropy statement of the second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system can never decrease over time. It implies that natural processes tend to move towards a state of maximum entropy, or disorder, and that entropy will either increase or remain constant in a closed system.

How can we prove that the Clausius statement implies the entropy statement?

To prove that the Clausius statement implies the entropy statement, one can consider a process where heat is transferred from a colder to a hotter body without external work, which would violate the Clausius statement. If such a process were possible, it would lead to a decrease in the total entropy of the system, contradicting the entropy statement. Therefore, the Clausius statement ensures that entropy cannot decrease, thus implying the entropy statement.

How can we prove that the entropy statement implies the Clausius statement?

To prove that the entropy statement implies the Clausius statement, consider a hypothetical scenario where heat is transferred from a cooler to a hotter body without external work. Such a transfer would decrease the entropy of the isolated system, violating the entropy statement. Since the entropy statement prohibits a decrease in total entropy, it ensures that heat cannot flow from a cooler to a hotter body without work, thereby implying the Clausius statement.

Why is it important to show the equivalence of the Clausius and entropy statements?

Demonstrating the equivalence of the Clausius and entropy statements is important because it reinforces the consistency and robustness of the second law of thermodynamics. By showing that different formulations of the second law are equivalent, we can be more confident in the universal applicability of the law to various thermodynamic processes and systems. This equivalence also helps in understanding the fundamental nature of thermodynamic principles and their implications.

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