Question about source flow rate across line AB.

In summary, the conversation is about determining the flow rate in Line AB using the known variables V_A, q, and r_A. The selected control volume is A, {B}', B, A and the equation for the flow rate is Q_AB = Q_A{B}', which is equal to the integral of V_A over the included angle between θ_A and θ_B. The vector V can be expressed as a gradient of a potential function ϕ and ψ, and the flow rate can be calculated using the potential function ψ. The question arises about the correct value of θ_B, with the speaker believing that the correct value is 2.6779 rad, while the book claims it is
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tracker890 Source h
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Homework Statement
Determine flow rate per unite width in the line
Relevant Equations
flow rate equation
Q:Please hlep me to understand which ans is correct.To determine the flow rate in Line AB.
$$\mathrm{Known}:V_A,q,r_A = constant.$$
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select:## A,{B}^{\text{'}},B,A,## is control volume
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$${Q}_{AB}={Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}=\iint _{A}^{}({V}_{A})dA={\int }_{{\theta }_{A}}^{{\theta }_{B}}({V}_{A}){r}_{A}d\theta $$$$\overset\rightharpoonup{V}=\triangledown \phi =<\frac{\partial \phi }{\partial r},\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial \phi }{\partial \theta }>=<\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial \psi }{\partial \theta },-\frac{\partial \psi }{\partial r}>=<{V}_{r},{V}_{\theta }> $$$$\therefore V_A=\frac1{r_A}\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta}\;$$$$Q_{AB}=\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(V_A)}r_Ad\theta\;=\;\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(\frac1{r_A}\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta})}r_Ad\theta=\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta})}d\theta=\psi_B-\psi_A$$to find ##\psi##,
$$F(z)=\frac q{2\pi}\ln(z)=\frac q{2\pi}ln(re^{i\theta})=\frac q{2\pi}\ln r+i\frac q{2\pi}\theta=\phi+i\psi$$so $$\psi=\frac q{2\pi}\theta$$
$$Q_{AB}=\psi\left(\theta_B\right)\mathit-\psi\left(\theta_A\right)\mathit=\frac q{2\pi}(\theta_B-\theta_A)$$$$\theta_A=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac11\right)=0.7854\;rad,$$
$$\theta_B=\frac\pi2+\tan^{-1}\left(\frac1{0.5}\right)=2.6779\;rad$$
So ans by myself is
$$\therefore Q_{AB}=\frac q{2\pi}{(2.6779-0.7854)}=0.3012q............(Ans(1))$$$$////////////////////////$$
But book say:
$$\theta_A=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac yx\right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{\mathit1}{\mathit1}\right)=0.7854\;rad$$$$\theta_B=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac yx\right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{0.5}{-1}\right)\;=\;-0.4636\;rad$$$$Q_{AB}=\psi\left(\theta_A\right)-\psi\left(\theta_B\right)=\frac q{2\pi}{(0.7854+0.4636)}=0.19878q........(Ans(2))$$
 
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You may have noticed that the two values for θB differ by π.
The result of arctan is of course multi-valued, with the values at intervals of π. So it is always necessary to make sure that the right value is selected. Question is, which of you selected the right value? (I'm with you.)
 
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haruspex said:
You may have noticed that the two values for θB differ by π.
The result of arctan is of course multi-valued, with the values at intervals of π. So it is always necessary to make sure that the right value is selected. Question is, which of you selected the right value? (I'm with you.)
I think the flow rate in book is ## {Q}_{A{B}^{*}} ## not ## {Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}##.
So the book answer is not correct.
Am I right ?
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tracker890 Source h said:
I think the flow rate in book is ## {Q}_{A{B}^{*}} ## not ## {Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}##.
So the book answer is not correct.
Am I right ?
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I think so.
 
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  • #5
I agree with your result. The included angle is ##\tan^{-1}2+\frac{\pi}{4}##
 
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