I have seen a few cases like that; not just at Starbucks, but at other fast-food places , other businesses. I agree, I wonder why they are not more actively exploiting their respective good looks. Maybe they are not very worldly, savvy about marketing themselves, so they play it safe.zoobyshoe said:
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Bringing this full circle, there was an excellent advert for MIB2 which went through the usual movie trailer stuff then finished with the exhortation to "go and see Men In Black 2 [neuraliser flash] ...for the first time."jim hardy said:
I was feeling vaguely resentful of the way the mood in the carriage shifted to focus around them. It was fairly quiet at that time of night, mostly people keeping themelves to themselves and reading, with a couple of people chatting. These guys crashed in and people were instantly half on alert in case they did kick off into a fight, even once his mates managed to distract the great warrior with a loud discussion of the football. It struck me as big talk more than anything else, but they intruded into everybody else's headspace (if that's a word) the rest of the time they were on the train. Hence me snarking about them on here - just to spread the joy.zoobyshoe said:
I know the types, of course. They exist all over the world. And, yeah, they're very irritating.Ibix said:
That's probably it exactly. She seems shy, doesn't speak very loudly. Maybe a bit insecure, hence conservative.WWGD said:
I really like those movies. The circuit for a neuralizer would be very easy. I might make one someday.Ibix said:
We are all counting on you to become her ass whisperer . I know I am. I am pretty sure she will respond well to that request. Then again, on second thought, I have been slapped a few times, so be cautious. Maybe you can use the neuralizer to help set her ass free.zoobyshoe said:
We are all counting on you to become her ass whisperer . I know I am. I am pretty sure she will respond well to that request. Then again, on second thought, I have been slapped a few times, so be cautious. Maybe you can use the neuralizer to help set her ass free.zoobyshoe said:
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That way they avoid a cat astrophe, ha hadkotschessaa said:Also, cats always land on their feet, hence:
There are so many obstacles to that, it's not worth enumerating them. The really important one, though, is that I have this strong fear she is probably a very boring person.WWGD said:
Buttered side is heavier, ...fresh_42 said:
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Excellent find! I've never heard that word before, despite the myriad cases where it would have been useful and appropriate.jim hardy said:
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How about the fact that the buttered side may have more friction, making it harder for the toast to turn from buttered sidejim hardy said:
"You've mis-spelled my name" possibly?jim hardy said:
The standard explanation is that it has only time to turn 1.5 times while falling. And the standard height of our tables can be explained by how tall bipeds in our universe can be on suitable planets. Some students somewhere have once worked that out.WWGD said:
Recalling a few tidbits from a company-wide, mandatory sexual harassment class that I took years ago (every employee in the company was required to take it), knowingly creating [and/or maintaining] a sexually charged atmosphere in the workplace or classroom is itself a form of sexual harassment and is subject to disciplinary action (not to mention possible lawsuits).HomogenousCow said:
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Rule of thumb test for whether it was sexual harassment: would he have asked for naked photos of a male student? (Feel free to generalise to cover different combinations of sexes and sexual preference.) Whether she actually sent pictures or not is irrelevant.HomogenousCow said:
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At least on the evidence presented, she suffers from anxiety and depression leading to self harm. I'd consider that as being a member of a vulnerable group deserving some protection, whatever your feelings about the balance of power between straight white men and everyone else.WWGD said:
I won't say we are sexists, racists or whatever, but those issues seem to be very American. I can't imagine this being so widely discussed in the UK, France or anywhere else in Europe. David, a Brit, was right: "pc is an American invention. Don't bother it here (UK)". Maybe it has to do with the American hobby to sue everybody on every occasion on any allegation.WWGD said:
DId Lewin know this? People want to have it both ways, having the benefits of eccentric , talented professors, expecting them to stay within the lines. You are not likely to be able to have it both ways. I am not saying he (or any she) should have an open pass, but when they hire someone like this, eccentric, they know what they are risking. Now they are acting offended, as if this is completely unexpected.Ibix said:
According to the article, "Lewin confessed his love for several of them, chat logs show, but often denied those feelings to women who asked about the others." Does that sound like an open and honest interaction? To me, it sounds like someone playing marks.HomogenousCow said:
More to the point, did he make any effort to find out?WWGD said:
Why should they not expect professors to stay within the lines? Am I correct in understanding that you assert that excellence in physics is necessarily correlated with a tendency towards sexual harassment?WWGD said:
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Depression isn't exactly rare - according to NIMH around one in fifteen US adults experience depressive episodes in a year. Around one in twenty five experience severe anxiety (NIMH again), and estimates of self harm vary between one in twenty five and one in a hundred (Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine). If he's starting with the sexual stuff on day one with multiple targets and carrying on for almost a year, as per the article HomogeneousCow linked, then yes, I can expect him to consider mental health conditions like this. Best case, with ten women (again, per HomogeneousCow's article), he's got only a fifty-fifty chance (##1-(14/15)^{10}##) of not picking one who's depressive sometime in that year. Even assuming there's no correlation between being harassed by a tutor and depression.WWGD said:
But we can, and do, insist on certain basic standards that everyone must adhere to - and we employ police forces and courts to back that up. Are you arguing that we are wrong to require some basic expectations in certain cases? If so, what cases? How much eccentricity translates to how much reduction in expectations in what areas? Should Lewin be excused theft, or assault, were he to commit these? Murder? Or should he be held to the same standard as everyone else?WWGD said:
I'm going to dispute this. I believe the English have traditionally been the most PC people in all of Western culture. Of course, there's a gradient, with the upper classes being the most PC and the working class the least. But, since the upper classes of England were the model to be emulated, English culture, going back at least to Shakespeare, has been riddled with a knee-jerk politeness you don't find in the U.S. (with the possible exception of the U.S. deep south). The term PC, and the concept are American inventions, but the English have striven to embody it for a long time, under the name, "good breeding," I think.fresh_42 said:
I don't know Shakespeare's English. What I do know is that British English and American English differs a lot, and I don't mean a few "z" or "u". To understand British you always have to read between the lines. What is said and what is meant can be the exact opposite. You can even insult people in a manner that sounds like pure politeness. I do not claim the British usually don't behave correctly, they do as anyone else. But as far as I have experienced it, the levels of tolerance are much higher than in the US. It is far more likely that a British woman simply strikes back on sexual intimations than complaining about it. In any case the likelihood of coming such to the courts is far less than in the US. And my quote wasn't from someone of lower class.zoobyshoe said:
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But sexual harassment is fine? I'm trying to find out where you are thinking of drawing the line. And, again, what degree of eccentricity makes this kind of behaviour acceptable? What does Harbi's self-harming give her license to do in your scheme?WWGD said:
There already are such arrangements, but apparently Lewin did not follow them. Again from HomogeneousCow's article: MIT last month announced that an investigation had determined that Lewin, 78, had “engaged in online sexual harassment in violation of MIT policies.” (Emphasis mine).WWGD said:
Of the specific statistics? Maybe not. Of the notion that not everyone (mental health issues or not) is self-confident enough to tell a famous professor who actively gets in touch with them to stop being a creep? Yes.WWGD said:
Who should the responsibility for Lewin's own behaviour lie with? If it's the school, well they did set out policies which he violated. If it's the students, they are now taking action and you seem to think this is wrong. We're really only left with Lewin to accept responsiblity here. Which isn't exactly unreasonable, to be honest.WWGD said:
I'm extremely aware of this, and you see the same thing in U.S. deep south politeness. But political correctness is always a facade, adopted by people who want to maintain a social status. Being politically incorrect is something like revealing yourself to be a social moron. You lose status, much as we see happening to Donald trump as he commits error after error in his remarks, and degenerates into a persona non grata among the politically correct.fresh_42 said:
I am not so sure. I base my opinion of the English level of political correctness on it's TV shows. You may think that's a stupid way to judge, but I see a definite correlation between American political correctness and it's TV shows, therefore I assume the same correlation in English shows. People who are racially prejudiced, prejudiced against women, gays, short people, other religions, etc. are invariably cast as bad guys or social morons. The good guys are all very sensitive to all people's needs and feelings and rights.
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I see our differences here now. I haven't been talking about behaving in an inappropriate manner. Of course not. I meant the way people talk to each other or telling jokes, which are not pc. Sometimes we have similar discussions here on events where people crossed the lines of decency. I simply think in the US it's far more often and also turns into trials more often. My quote of what David said was after he told a joke that wasn't pc. (I don't remember the joke, and there were only two guys listening.) Not every bawdiness is worth talking about. And women can and do as well.zoobyshoe said:
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