RIP Pope John Paul II - A Day of Respect and Mourning

[Smurf]

the god damned theatre that is unfolding on national tv is sickening and i want to puke everytime i see the pope.

I would agree with you, but I don't watch TV, but I'm sure If I did I'd agree with you.

While sitting here with the morning news on, it strikes me that this funeral - with two million christians expected to attend - is quite a target for terrorists.

That's actually quite amusing.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

That's actually quite amusing.

Why would you say that?

 

[cronxeh]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

Well this article alone is enough for JP2 to burn in hell for all eternity.

 

[russ_watters]

While sitting here with the morning news on, it strikes me that this funeral - with two million christians expected to attend - is quite a target for terrorists.

More importantly, several thousand world leaders/dignitaries...

 

[cronxeh]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

For effs sake its just a freaking pope people! He spread lies and what little good he did cancels out with overall evil he helped spread.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

 

[Clausius2]

I don't want to change the thread, I am so sad of the Pope leaving,
Speaking of facts:
Muslims appreciate that the Pope did not recognize the invasion powers who invaded the Holy Land as a state until 1986, and Muslims deeply understand
the pressure he had from European goverments, almost exactly as the pressures now made against muslims by the anti-religion powers in the political regiemes of europe.

Muslims and Christians has many, so many intersection points among both religions. However, there is a critical differences [e.g Muslims believe that Jesus is God Messenger, not God son nor Trinity do exist...etc] and both DISLIKE the differnce happen. If you see something right, you dislike what you think it is wrong.

The Pope apologized for the jews abuot the discrimination happened to them in Europe. However, he did not apologize yet to the muslims for all the crusades wages against them, the courts of killing them after Spain re-conquesta by Catholics and many other staff. With a sure voice still Muslims deeply apprecaite the Pope actions and understand the pressures on him.

Will, let's assume he is the enemy of the muslims, they loves their enemy [Catholics are not the only onese who do so, even Athiests some times do the same thing]. So by all means Muslims unconditionally loves him, as He loves them too. Still the strong disgreements between both is another issue.

Once again, a point i see a must to be clarified and i hope i did. Apologize if i change the thread a bit our of track.

Don't worry, you haven't changed this thread, but you do have change my words. I said: it has been accurately demonstrated that nowadays muslim religion and muslim leaders dislike Catholic religion. In fact, they call us the "unfaithful" (correct me, but I think the Coran refers to this word when talking about christians, if I am wrong sorry then). On the other hand, the head of Catholic Church and the Church itself have forgotten all about the spanish Reconquist and this sort of old troubles. It is muslim religion and muslims leaders who seem not to have forgotten it yet.

On the contrary, John Paul II has collaborated joining each religion (recall Asis Assembly where every religious leaders of the world were invited by him to talk and to share about each religion, he promoted the event) because he did think every faithful men thinks of the same. On the contrary, he collaborated providing stability to the world, not like the leaders of muslim religion (we DO know that they promote instabilities across the entire world).

As a result John Paul II was a figure of humanity and comprehension, and by the way he did a lot to defeat comunism in Poland and make polish men free. Also he traveled to poor places, where no politician want to go, where poorest and undefended people live, giving them hopeness and listening them.

All of these was closed to an extraordinary sense of humor.

Don't forget, Moses, there is an essential difference as far as how Catholic (and occidental) church views the World, how we try to built over it peacefully, and on the contrary how muslim relgious leaders see the world, reinstauring pain and fear, actively destroying the equilibrium in world, and recalling old battles which have been forgotten in occident a lot of time ago.

Now is when Evo closes the thread. I apoligize if I have said something non political correct, but I feel it is neccesary to use the Democracy to say the truth, no matter who is offended and no matter how it sounds. I am not going to be dishonest with myself saying stupidities only for giving a pretty appearance of tolerance. I have started this thread and I think it is needed a clarification and underline the labour of the Pope John Paul II also by comparing with another people who has apparently the same position and by the way a greater number of believers, and who haven't made nothing positive for improving the life in this planet.

"Al pan pan, y al vino vino". or
"Las cosas claras y el chocolate espeso", are two adages in spanish which mean "the more clarified what is talked, the better"

 

[russ_watters]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

Do you really not know? People in that position (and the Pope is included) have real power. Real power means they have the means at their disposal to affect world events with their decisions - and that means the lives of millions (if not billions) of people.

One of the things he will be remembered for (as mentioned) is his influence on the fall of Communism. Including its continued decline in China, the fall of Communism has had a major impact on the lives of perhaps half the world's population and a secondary impact on almost everyone else.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

I'm not sure you understand what that word means...

 

[cronxeh]

I'm not sure you understand what that word means...

Well unfortunately the root in word dignitary is not that of dignity, so you are correct there. And as far as dignitaries are concerned - their power comes from those who follow them, and if you are standing in the middle of an empty room nobody really gives a damn what you think, do they now

 

[dextercioby]

THERE GOES ANOTHER POPE! NEXT,PLEASE!

The Nikolaj Kopernik,Giordano Bruno & Galileo Galilei Foundation...

 

[Bladibla]

I feel sad as to talk to another human being he had to die. However, i couldn't care less how it affects religion.

 

[stoned]

While sitting here with the morning news on, it strikes me that this funeral - with two million christians expected to attend - is quite a target for terrorists.

Yeah ! where are all those terrorists we were told were ready to strike at any time and inflict huge losses ? Hmm?
Remember sleeper cells,Alqaida? evil Osama Bin Ladin ?

 

[stoned]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

For effs sake its just a freaking pope people! He spread lies and what little good he did cancels out with overall evil he helped spread.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

You started too early demonizing Pope and Catholic church, let's wait 'till they bury him.

 

[PerennialII]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

For effs sake its just a freaking pope people! He spread lies and what little good he did cancels out with overall evil he helped spread.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

Am with a similar wavelength with you, but would still pass this discussion to another thread / somewhere else.

 

[cronxeh]

Well if its not a general discussion and move it elsewhere, then you would make some sort of an emphasis on it and add an even more value to the fact that pope died - which would negate the original purpose of saying that the pope's death is just as important as any other individual's

dont get me wrong - i mourn for his death as a human being, even though he lived an above average life span, but not as some kind of a religious figure

 

[Bladibla]

dont get me wrong - i mourn for his death as a human being, even though he lived an above average life span, but not as some kind of a religious figure

Fully agreed. Most of the people in the world should appreciate him as a human being. NOT as a major religious figure.

 

[klusener]

cronxeh just hits all the major points right in the eye, I definitely admire him as a person but his views caused so much devastation in the third-world countries, Africa and Asia, that will take so many years to atleast repaire these things.. The major point is AIDS, there are so many devoted Catholics in Africa and Asia, without contraceptives, the already high rate of AIDS has climbed exponentially.. So many people died just because of that one view, in India, it is up to the rest of us, we try to bargain with these people who blindly follow him without one thought to logic or practicality to use contraceptives to stop AIDS.. That said, I like him as a person..

 

[1123581321]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

For effs sake its just a freaking pope people! He spread lies and what little good he did cancels out with overall evil he helped spread.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

Wow, the guy died and your being a jerk about it. I don't really get pissed off that much, but you just did it. "spread evil"? explain to me how the hell he "spread evil"? true, people die all the time, but the pope did a lot of good. He was the leader of 2,000,000,000 catholics on this world, and he was not important? Just a pope? if you are not catholic, i can understand, but can't you quit being a jerk-hole and let the people who did appreciate him mourn him? hate to tell you, but you are not a world leader. i am not a world leader. no one really cares when we die, except for family and friends. i probably pissed a lot of folks off, but i don't care. this is a thread to honor the pope, go start your own f'n thread to make fun of him, don't ruin this one.
I feel better now.

Fibonacci

Edit: sorry for ranting, but had to do it. don't mean to offend anyone but cronexeh.

 

[cronxeh]

im not offended - i actually feel sorry for you

edit: and if you think catholic church hasnt done bad things for the humanity at large - read other posts after mine

that being said.. i care about those 2 billion people you mentioned.. i hope someday they'll find the truth, and as for being a jerk and whatnot - i already said that i mourn his death as a human being, not as a leader of 2B+ people

 

[1123581321]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

Well this article alone is enough for JP2 to burn in hell for all eternity.

you have serious mental issues, in fact, when you die, you won't even go to hell because you will use the insanity arguement.
Burn in hell,
Fibonacci

 

[cronxeh]

Ill say hi to the pope from you

 

[SOS2008]

...jerk-hole

Edit: sorry for ranting, but had to do it. don't mean to offend anyone but cronexeh.

And I thought I was the great "insulter"...

 

[SOS2008]

you have serious mental issues, in fact, when you die, you won't even go to hell because you will use the insanity arguement.
Burn in hell,
Fibonacci

Check out the "Cosmology - limits of science thread"

 

[stoned]

were you brought catholic or hebrew Cronex ? just wondering.

 

[Danger]

He was the leader of 2,000,000,000 catholics on this world,

Of course, if it weren't for one of the truly insane policies of the church, there wouldn't be 2,000,000,000 Catholics.

 

[SOS2008]

I would agree with you, but I don't watch TV, but I'm sure If I did I'd agree with you.

The news media spends days on the OJ trial, and days on the Schiavo case, and days on the Pope's funeral. These things are news, but it does not mean all other events in the world suddenly stopped and can't be reported on as well. As for the Pope, he was fortunate to live a long and good life. All the people of the world can hope to be as fortunate.

 

[cronxeh]

were you brought catholic or hebrew Cronex ? just wondering.

aww those are my only options?

darn. well I've been exposed to a few religions and in two countries, oceans apart - from islam to orthodox christianity to judaism recently, but never had any particular religion. now that i think about it - if i was pushed towards either of those religions i would probably been a believer today

alas, my parents and family at large weren't that religious - i guess their education is to blame

 

[cronxeh]

and hey, if you think I'm harsh about the Pope's death, i suggest you read the redneck baptist rebuttal:

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
-- This website, along with godhatesfags.com, godhatessweden.com, godhatescanada.com, and some other nasty names is run by Westboro Buptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. You'd think I'm making this stuff up, but you can go to their website and find their 'upcomming pickets' where they go to the gay events and start harrasing people with their hatred - there are pictures online:
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/images/IMG200344534LO.jpg
Some more info here: http://irvineprogressive.com/vol2issue2/news1.htm
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/aboutwbc.html ---

Front and center on their website (godhatesamerica.com) :

Thank God the Pope is DEAD!



The Pope is in HELL!



The Pope, and all his idolatry, is singlehandedly responsible for sending millions of souls to hell. By preaching his doctrine of devils, that there is no hell, and by seducing millions of souls to bow down to idols, he has done the work of his father the devil (John 8:44) all the days of his miserable life.

Moreover, the Pope is a fag enabler, if not a practicing fag himself! How else can you explain his tacit approval of the pedophiles they call priests in the Catholic whore house? If he were a righteous man, a bishop blameless, a steward of God, he would have put a stop to the buggery as soon as he became the Pope, and made it known that it would not be tolerated. Rather, he was complicitous in their sins, promoting fag priests who did unspeakable things with little children to be heads in his apostate whorehouse masquerading as a church! WHY? BECAUSE HE LOVED IT SO! He had his good things in this life (a throne upon which he sat, gold to adorn himself, and an empire to run), and is even now being tormented (Luke 16:25).

He did not fulfill the Scriptural commandments of his office, to wit:

"Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock". (1 Peter 5:2-3)

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

See our flyers on this matter here and here.

Hear Fred Phelps' Sermon regarding the Pope here.



ENTER godhatesamerica.com

It speaks for itself

 

[Moses]

Don't worry, you haven't changed this thread, but you do have change my words. I said: it has been accurately demonstrated that nowadays muslim religion and muslim leaders dislike Catholic religion. In fact, they call us the "unfaithful" (correct me, but I think the Coran refers to this word when talking about christians, if I am wrong sorry then). On the other hand, the head of Catholic Church and the Church itself have forgotten all about the spanish Reconquist and this sort of old troubles. It is muslim religion and muslims leaders who seem not to have forgotten it yet.

On the contrary, John Paul II has collaborated joining each religion (recall Asis Assembly where every religious leaders of the world were invited by him to talk and to share about each religion, he promoted the event) because he did think every faithful men thinks of the same. On the contrary, he collaborated providing stability to the world, not like the leaders of muslim religion (we DO know that they promote instabilities across the entire world).

As a result John Paul II was a figure of humanity and comprehension, and by the way he did a lot to defeat comunism in Poland and make polish men free. Also he traveled to poor places, where no politician want to go, where poorest and undefended people live, giving them hopeness and listening them.

All of these was closed to an extraordinary sense of humor.

Don't forget, Moses, there is an essential difference as far as how Catholic (and occidental) church views the World, how we try to built over it peacefully, and on the contrary how muslim relgious leaders see the world, reinstauring pain and fear, actively destroying the equilibrium in world, and recalling old battles which have been forgotten in occident a lot of time ago.

Now is when Evo closes the thread. I apoligize if I have said something non political correct, but I feel it is neccesary to use the Democracy to say the truth, no matter who is offended and no matter how it sounds. I am not going to be dishonest with myself saying stupidities only for giving a pretty appearance of tolerance. I have started this thread and I think it is needed a clarification and underline the labour of the Pope John Paul II also by comparing with another people who has apparently the same position and by the way a greater number of believers, and who haven't made nothing positive for improving the life in this planet.

"Al pan pan, y al vino vino". or
"Las cosas claras y el chocolate espeso", are two adages in spanish which mean "the more clarified what is talked, the better"

Chill out Clausuis2, some people here ATTACKED the Pope in person and you did not say anything, it sounds you hate muslims and Islam more than you are loyal to your religuos [I don't think i am wrong, still i am not arrogant and happy to show me if i ,being a human, can be wrong] Regardless of my religion [if i have any] i have an issue(s) to say:

Colonization, WW1, WW2, SLAVERY +discrimination against Jew, Muslims, Blacks, Native Indians and many other i guess you should go truthfully serach for the Catholic Church position from them at those times and now. I know you are smart, Engineer Guru, and you can use google, its not a taboo

Muslims Leaders ..etc? Man generalizing is at least: NOT cool [specially other stuff as well u said without proofs]. Do you accept other humans generalize about christianty via seeing the colonization or the crusades don't by Catholics [& other christian gruops] I think the logic asnwer is: NO.

Islam religion is amazing, Muslims leaders can do good or bad, and luckily always the majority of them are justice scholars. Islam make the Eastern Roman Empire and Persoan who were enemis a BROTHER and SISTER under Islam Advance in science in middle ages is majorly becuase of muslims scientist who gave to ALL humanity.

Muslims now don't have their Top religuios leader, the Caliph since WW1. Why? The Anti-muslim and religion goverments of the European Colonizers desttoy the only Super Power against their colonization plans, specially in the Holy Land and the Middle east. I will not speak about the Pope Situation at that time from that...at least i am sure Muslims favors to the world are NOT LESS of the Christians, I amk sure too they, as not-perfect humans did not less ahrm to humanity [got it?] Spreading happiness and bortherhood in the age of Crusaders and Colonization that stole others moeny and spread pain and TERRORISM

Once again, Clasuis2, Plz accept my sadness sharing in losing Pope John Paul II, he done very good actions worth to thank him for it. At last, Quran NEVER Called Christians unfaithful. Quran disagree with the fact Christians worhsip Jesus the Messenger of God to the Israelis + other stuff. Quran call them "Coverers" i.e they "Cover" some favors of God by worshippin other beside him,Chaging His Book the Gospel "of Jesus" and making major erros in disobying His laws.

I hope if a muslim come and see this thread, he won't be offended by your "propaganda" against them. May The Heat, The Heat of the ignorance be cooled down. Peace be upon open minded people, good wishes to others.

 

[marlon]

and on the contrary how muslim relgious leaders see the world, reinstauring pain and fear, actively destroying the equilibrium in world, and recalling old battles which have been forgotten in occident a lot of time ago.

Amen to that my dear friend. I completely agree with you on this one...

regards
marlon

 

[gerben]

the god damned theatre that is unfolding on national tv is sickening and i want to puke everytime i see the pope.

I feel similar

(it just feels bad that so many people are interested in something like this)

 

[marlon]

I feel similar

(it just feels bad that so many people are interested in something like this)

Well, maybe the catholic church has more influence and impact on people's life then you want to admit. Maybe...just maybe...


marlon

 

[dextercioby]

I still think the media (TV especially) can be used for other purposes than getting morbid news...

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

I still think the media (TV especially) can be used for other purposes than getting morbid news...

Daniel.

First of all this isn't morbid news and secondly, then you should also ban reports on tsunami's, war, terrorists, politics, starvation,...What will remain ? physics ? pfff, boooooooring

marlon

 

[dextercioby]

It is morbid.It is showing a corpse and making fuss about a death.

Yes,i'd watch TV only for nature documentaries (Nat.Geographic & the Discovery channels) and sport.

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

It is morbid.It is showing a corpse and making fuss about a death.

That's a bit simplistic no ? Clearly, you are not familiar with the customs of the catholic church. Now, that is not a sin but then don't start to make false and hollow claims if you don't know what you are talking about.

Yes,i'd watch TV only for nature documentaries (Nat.Geographic & the Discovery channels)

Daniel.

BOOOOORRING :zzz: :zzz:

marlon :zzz: