Small oscillations of a simple pendulum placed on a moving block

In summary, the study explores the dynamics of a simple pendulum mounted on a block that is in motion. It examines how the oscillations of the pendulum are affected by the block's movement, focusing on small oscillations where angular displacement is minimal. The analysis reveals that the pendulum's motion can be described by modified equations of motion that account for the block's velocity and acceleration, leading to insights into the interplay between the pendulum's periodic motion and the block's translational dynamics.
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I've just found my last mistake(in finding ##f##) using a friend's help.


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I appreciate your help and your patience.
 
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Ok, so since you have reached a conclusion, let's discuss the expansion approach. You have the following Lagrangian:
MatinSAR said:
$$L=\dfrac {M+m}{2}\dot x^2+ml\dot x \dot \theta \cos \theta + \dfrac 1 2 m l^2 \dot \theta^2 +mgl\cos \theta $$
Expanding to second order in ##\theta## around ##\theta = 0## results in
$$
L \simeq \dfrac{M + m}{2} \dot x^2 + ml \dot x \dot\theta + \dfrac 12 ml^2 \dot \theta^2 - \dfrac{mgl}{2}\theta^2
$$
(where I have dropped the constant term in the potential since it does not affect the equations of motion, ##\simeq## means equal up to constants and terms higher than quadratic in ##\theta##\). Now complete the square for the quadratic term:
$$
\dfrac{M + m}{2} \dot x^2 + ml \dot x \dot\theta = \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left(\dot x^2 + 2\dfrac{ml}{M+m} \dot x \dot\theta \right)
= \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left[\left(\dot x + \dfrac{ml}{M+m} \dot \theta\right)^2 - \dfrac{m^2l^2}{(M+m)^2}\dot\theta^2\right] \equiv \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left[\dot X^2 - \dfrac{m^2l^2}{(M+m)^2}\dot\theta^2\right]
$$
where we have introduced the new coordinate ##X = x + ml\theta/(M+m)## to replace ##x##. The expanded Lagrangian is now
$$
L \simeq \dfrac{M+m}2 \dot X^2 + \dfrac{\mu l^2\dot\theta^2}2 - \dfrac{mgl\theta^2}{2},
$$
where ##\mu = mM/(M+m)## is the reduced mass of the system. It is here clear that the problems for ##X## and ##\theta## decouple and so we can focus on the two last terms (the motion of ##X## just describes the CoM motion, which is linear). The Lagrangian for a harmonic oscillator with variable ##\theta## and mass ##\bar m## is
$$
L_{HO} = \dfrac{\bar m}{2}\left[ \dot\theta^2 - \omega^2 \theta^2\right].
$$
Identifying with the ##\theta## part of our Lagrangian immediately gives
$$
\bar m = \mu l^2, \qquad \bar m \omega^2 = mgl.
$$
Hence,
$$
\omega^2 = \dfrac{mgl}{\mu l^2} = \dfrac{M+m}{M} \dfrac{g}{l}.
$$
Take the square root to find ##\omega##.
 
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Orodruin said:
Ok, so since you have reached a conclusion, let's discuss the expansion approach. You have the following Lagrangian:

Expanding to second order in ##\theta## around ##\theta = 0## results in
$$
L \simeq \dfrac{M + m}{2} \dot x^2 + ml \dot x \dot\theta + \dfrac 12 ml^2 \dot \theta^2 - \dfrac{mgl}{2}\theta^2
$$
(where I have dropped the constant term in the potential since it does not affect the equations of motion, ##\simeq## means equal up to constants and terms higher than quadratic in ##\theta##\). Now complete the square for the quadratic term:
$$
\dfrac{M + m}{2} \dot x^2 + ml \dot x \dot\theta = \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left(\dot x^2 + 2\dfrac{ml}{M+m} \dot x \dot\theta \right)
= \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left[\left(\dot x + \dfrac{ml}{M+m} \dot \theta\right)^2 - \dfrac{m^2l^2}{(M+m)^2}\dot\theta^2\right] \equiv \dfrac{M+m}{2}\left[\dot X^2 - \dfrac{m^2l^2}{(M+m)^2}\dot\theta^2\right]
$$
where we have introduced the new coordinate ##X = x + ml\theta/(M+m)## to replace ##x##. The expanded Lagrangian is now
$$
L \simeq \dfrac{M+m}2 \dot X^2 + \dfrac{\mu l^2\dot\theta^2}2 - \dfrac{mgl\theta^2}{2},
$$
where ##\mu = mM/(M+m)## is the reduced mass of the system. It is here clear that the problems for ##X## and ##\theta## decouple and so we can focus on the two last terms (the motion of ##X## just describes the CoM motion, which is linear). The Lagrangian for a harmonic oscillator with variable ##\theta## and mass ##\bar m## is
$$
L_{HO} = \dfrac{\bar m}{2}\left[ \dot\theta^2 - \omega^2 \theta^2\right].
$$
Identifying with the ##\theta## part of our Lagrangian immediately gives
$$
\bar m = \mu l^2, \qquad \bar m \omega^2 = mgl.
$$
Hence,
$$
\omega^2 = \dfrac{mgl}{\mu l^2} = \dfrac{M+m}{M} \dfrac{g}{l}.
$$
Take the square root to find ##\omega##.
Fortunately, both methods yield the same results. I am reading and trying to understand this method.

Thanks once again for your invaluable assistance @Orodruin ...
 
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MatinSAR said:
Fortunately, both methods yield the same results.
Of course they do. As I showed, they are equivalent. The only question is which is faster for a particular problem and what you feel comfortable doing.
 
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