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I condemn this thing from the start to the finish.brewnog said:Would you mind briefly restating your position, I'm a tad too lazy to trawl through the thread again! Do you consider yourself a Brit (haven't 'met' you properly yet!)? Do you agree with the momentary decision to pull the trigger, even if you don't agree with the operational procedure which occurred up until that point? Just curious!![]()
Confrontation is totally against the rules ... I have posted links to this a couple of times:
But it seems that every decision since the discovery of the address in the rucksack of one of the unexploded bombs was inevitably the wrong decision.Daily Telegraph (London said:POLICE officers are to be issued with guidance on dealing with suicide bombers.
They will be told not to intervene or challenge a suspected suicide bomber, but to alert anti-terrorist experts immediately.
Patrol officers will then be offered advice on how to assess whether the suspect is a potential suicide, or someone planning to plant a bomb.
If a potential suicide is thought likely, officers will be advised on how best to clear people from the path of the bomber without alerting him.
A range of tactics can then be used against the bomber - including the use ...
Most people see this only from the point of view of one thing ... He ran.
Fair enough... BUT
The police had the place under watch for 24 hours and had done nothing to secure or search it.
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What is already known, therefore, is that almost 24 hours before they saw de Menezes emerge from his house, police had put it under surveillance based on information they found at the scene of one of the attempted bombings at lunchtime the day before. If the overriding goal of the police is to prevent further attacks, why did they not raid the house right away? They might have discovered sooner what they found out too late -- that de Menezes was totally uninvolved in any terrorist plot. The police clearly had more than a "split-second" to act and they need to explain why they did not act.
A person erroneously tagged by racial profiling was seen exiting a multi-occupancy dwelling and followed from an unpopulated area to a populated area ... A subway.
I have variously seen that he boarded a bus and that he didn't. If he did ... Target #1 seems to have been skipped and we have seen two of the terrorists a) blow one up and b) fail to blow one up ... the source of this address.
The explosives that MAY have come from this address have been delivered in Rucksacks containing 1.5 gallons of liquid explosive. With him, they suspected a 'vest' which implies 'C4' or 'Semtex' or TNT or another solid form of explosive not as yet demonstrated.
He did not have a rucksack.
He had on a baggy sweat shirt, not a coat, a baseball cap and baggy pants. This sounds like standard fare for South London.
He got off the bus or arrived at the tube were there is a large plaza.
Presumably, the police had been in communication with the terrorist centre response teams by radio and as per the above instructions, if they believed they had a threat, could easily have shut the gates at the subway, evacuated and/or established a perimiter with the multiple automatic-rifle carrying regular forces patroling ALL subways in London.
Once ringed, he could then have been challenged or rather the terrorist squad could have taken over.
As it was, he was allowed to make a phone call with nobody able to recognize he was speaking Portugese.
He was then allowed to stand in line for a ticked thus surrounding himself with bystanders all of whom have stated he was not 'warned' but that they merely put on their blue hats and drew their weapons.
He had been mugged by Brits less than two weeks before according to his relatives.
Now, for whatever reason, he jumped the turnstiles ... they are 5 feet high in an effort to prevent fare dodging... In a vest? Olympic hurdles are set lower and this guy in a pair of baggy pants seems to have made it with no effort and leaving the police eating dust.
Was he scared of attackers or fare dodging ... well if he was standing in line for a ticket up to this point, indications are he was scared. Maybe he thought there was a suicide bomber in the area. Has anyone thought of that?
So he runs down an escalator ... implies it was empty since he was running.
Why not shoot him before he got to the train and risk detonating him there?
For that matter, why was there any trains arriving at the station? If the police were in contact by radio, why hadn't the trains been moved from the station to the tunnel and others prevented from arriving?
Why hadn't all the passengers been moved into the WWII bomb shelters at the station less than 20 feet from the trains which were hardened against V1 rockets and could house over 8,000 people? (Nobody, had planned this in any emergency scenario for this station?)
They had over 20 minutes from him leaving his house to his arrival at the station. Given the previous targets, no contingency was enacted at any level. No evacuations as per the 2003 instructions were put into place.
It is said he 'stumbled when he got onto the train and looked distressed ... He also seems to have had a bullet in his shoulder ... I know this is speculation but ... was he shot in the shoulder as he entered?
He was then taken down by three men who had him pinned faced down.
He then got 7 bullets in the base of his skull at point blank range.
Are you telling me the man couldn't have had a hand run down his back to see if there was a vest present? Lift up his sweatshirt?
No ... this is the worst operation in history for cockups.
This man was executed because of his skin colour making him fit the profile and then every option taken by he police being the wrong one becaue they believed they had their man.
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