Who was the true hero behind the Rebel Alliance's victory in Rogue One?

[dkotschessaa]

The only people for whom the CGI wasn't convincing were people scrutinizing the movie to see whether the CGI was convincing.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

The only people for whom the CGI wasn't convincing were people scrutinizing the movie to see whether the CGI was convincing.

After Bakshi's rotogravure and the ... odd ... art of "Fantastic Planet" I was just interested in seeing how far along they were.

 

[phinds]

The only people for whom the CGI wasn't convincing were people scrutinizing the movie to see whether the CGI was convincing.

No, that's absolutely not true. I thought for a second they were somehow using old scenes modified to fit but realized almost instantly that this was CGI.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

No, that's absolutely not true. I thought for a second they were somehow using old scenes modified to fit but realized almost instantly that this was CGI.

So you found them convincing. DK referred to people who went with the foreknowledge of the CGI and were doing a bit of pre-judging.

 

[phinds]

So you found them convincing.

I don't understand how you got that from what I said. I did NOT find it convincing. It was CGI[/QUOTE]

 

[dkotschessaa]

I don't understand how you got that from what I said. I did NOT find it convincing. It was CGI

I guess what we are trying to figure out whether recognizing something as CGI constitutes its not being convincing.

 

[phinds]

I guess what we are trying to figure out whether recognizing something as CGI constitutes its not being convincing.

Well for me it wasn't. It was an intrusive scene even though as part of the back story for "future" files (already shown) it was probably the right thing to do.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

I don't understand how you got that from what I said. I did NOT find it convincing. It was CGI

[/QUOTE]
Because that's how I read it.

 

[phinds]

Because that's how I read it.

An interesting example of how we all (well, I think it's all of us, it's certainly true for me) sometimes think we're being very clear in our meaning and yet others hear something quite different.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

An interesting example of how we all (well, I think it's all of us, it's certainly true for me) sometimes think we're being very clear in our meaning and yet others hear something quite different.

I'm married, so it happens all the time here. ;)

 

[sanman]

Saw the movie twice - I enjoyed it that much. I liked the whole Manhattan Project angle (in fact, the original working title for this movie was "Destroyer of Worlds"). Hardcore Star Wars fans may have known about it all along, but I was very surprised to learn what the Death Star shared in common with another famous weapon of the Star Wars universe. ("Only the largest stars have hearts of Kyber...")

 

[dkotschessaa]

Saw the movie twice - I enjoyed it that much. I liked the whole Manhattan Project angle

Wow, I totally missed that connection.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Wow, I totally missed that connection.

I thought the pudgy colonel would have tipped you off.

 

[sanman]

Wow, I totally missed that connection.

Well, Mads Mikkelson's character Galen Erso is the Oppenheimer. If you liked Rogue One, then you may enjoy reading the novel "Catalyst", which provides the backstory for Galen Erso, Orson Krennic, and the events leading up to the movie.

 

[dkotschessaa]

After years of being a Trek fan I am not sure what I would think of myself if I read a Star Wars novel. That's like committing. But I'll think about it.

 

[sanman]

After years of being a Trek fan I am not sure what I would think of myself if I read a Star Wars novel. That's like committing. But I'll think about it.

Well, this one is written by James Luceno - the best in the business - and it makes for gripping reading. It even made the NY Times best seller list.

 

[DaveC426913]

The only people for whom the CGI wasn't convincing were people scrutinizing the movie to see whether the CGI was convincing.

Star Wars fans have loved Star Wars, warts and all, for 40 years. Scrutinizing its warts is a sign of fandom love.

I love going back and watching SW:ANH to see how quaint were the alien costumes, space effects and Hamil's acting.

I wouldn't love my Raggedy Andy doll (if I had one) any less with missing buttons and lost stuffing.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

"It's just a movie, it's just a movie, it's just a movie."

 

[sanman]

What gives Star Wars its enduring appeal is its vast and rich universe depicted through magnificent visual spectacle

I think this whole anthology movie series idea is about exploring the wealth of environments and situations in this universe, beyond the main established storyline.

 

[Rubidium_71]

I suspect they want the public to accept these images because the company will need them in future movies.

I'm don't see a use for either character in any future film. The 1977 Princess Leia shouldn't need to be CGI'd into anything else. Same goes for Tarkin.
Unless you're just referring to them using that technique in general. Either way, their CGI still needs some work in my opinion. Seeing it didn't ruin the film for me, but I wasn't impressed. Like I said before, they could've easily just shown her from the back. Tarkin they could've dropped completely, it wouldn't have bothered me. But it is what it is, I'll still pick it up on Bluray when it comes out.

 

[sanman]

Well, they can always give us Carrie as a Force Ghost - after all, once Han was dead, Leia might have lost her will to live

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

I'm don't see a use for either character in any future film. The 1977 Princess Leia shouldn't need to be CGI'd into anything else. Same goes for Tarkin.
Unless you're just referring to them using that technique in general. Either way, their CGI still needs some work in my opinion. Seeing it didn't ruin the film for me, but I wasn't impressed. Like I said before, they could've easily just shown her from the back. Tarkin they could've dropped completely, it wouldn't have bothered me. But it is what it is, I'll still pick it up on Bluray when it comes out.

I'm not sure why you said "shouldn't"...

 

[DaveC426913]

"It's just a movie, it's just a movie, it's just a movie."

Not for some of us.

I was 13. A very impressionable age.

It defined me wholly for two decades (as a sci-fi nerd, artist and a film industry wannabe) and partially for another 2.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Not for some of us.

I was 13. A very impressionable age.

It defined me wholly for two decades (as a sci-fi nerd, artist and a film industry wannabe) and partially for another 2.

"It's just a movie, but you can obsess about it. "

 

[Rubidium_71]

Well, they can always give us Carrie as a Force Ghost - after all, once Han was dead, Leia might have lost her will to live

It takes a lot of mojo to come back as a Force ghost and it didn't look like Leia ever had any formal training. Even Qui-Gon was only able to come back as a disembodied voice as far as I can remember. Obi-Wan was also just a voice after his death in New Hope before he finally was able to appear as a vision in Empire. Since I was never a fan of Hayden Christensen showing up as a Force Ghost I wouldn't really be interested in seeing a CGI Leia come back to haunt us.

I'm not sure why you said "shouldn't"...

Rogue One takes the story right up to New Hope, so they shouldn't need to recreate/CGI the 1977 Leia for any future films they have planned.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Rogue One takes the story right up to New Hope, so they shouldn't need to recreate/CGI the 1977 Leia for any future films they have planned.

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

 

[DaveC426913]

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

Which intervening 30 years?

Rubidium specified the 1977 Leia doesn't need to be recreated.
Unless, I suppose, they make a film post-SW:3 and pre-SW:3.5. But then she'd be a teenager.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

Which intervening 30 years?

Rubidium specified the 1977 Leia doesn't need to be recreated.
Unless, I suppose, they make a film post-SW:3 and pre-SW:3.5. But then she'd be a teenager.

Okay, the next X years while she still looked like her Return self. (Are we really stressing on this?)

 

[Rubidium_71]

But then she'd be a teenager.

Quite right, Phinds, and in that event they would likely re-cast the part rather than employ CGI.

As far as I know, aside from Episodes 7,8 and 9 the studio plans to do a young Han Solo movie (Leia and Han didn't meet until Episode 4, so her character shouldn't even need to be in that one) and a Boba Fett movie. I haven't heard of any plans for a young Leia movie, so they shouldn't need to have any more Leia CGI appearances and that's a good thing in my opinion.

The intervening thirty years were uneventful?

There's plenty of SW material filling in that episode 3-4 gap already. Some of it I do find interesting.

Are we really stressing on this?

Not me, I'm simply answering your question and commenting on the film I saw.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

We're good then. The last movie I got excited about was "Creature from the Black Lagoon."

 

[sanman]

All I know is that J J Abrams is way overrated - his Ep-7 sucks compared to Rogue One.

 

[Noisy Rhysling]

All I know is that J J Abrams is way overrated - his Ep-7 sucks compared to Rogue One.

That explains why it did so poorly at the box office.

 

[sanman]

That explains why it did so poorly at the box office.

Meh, even Phantom Menace did well at the box office - but after I came out of that movie, I already knew I didn't like JarJar, the Bumblee man, and that stupid pod-racing scene

 

[RogueOne]

I was pleased with this movie, as you can see.

 

[DennisN]

After years of being a Trek fan I am not sure what I would think of myself if I read a Star Wars novel. That's like committing. But I'll think about it.