Why is the first term on the right-hand side of this equation transposed?

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The discussion centers on the transposition of terms in a tensor equation, specifically why the first term on the right-hand side of the equation is transposed. It explains that the transposition is necessary to align the indices correctly, ensuring that the order matches the left-hand side of the equation. The conversation also touches on the concept of tensor contraction and how it relates to forming new tensors from existing ones. Additionally, there is a clarification that the transposition is defined differently in this context, emphasizing the importance of understanding tensor operations. Overall, the transposition is a crucial step for maintaining consistency in tensor calculations.
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From Box 3.3, p. 85:

Since <br /> S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma} = S(\omega^\alpha, e_\beta, e_\gamma)<br />

and

since S=S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma}e_\alpha\otimes\omega^\beta\otimes\omega^\gamma

is it then true that

S=S(\omega^\alpha, e_\beta, e_\gamma)e_\alpha\otimes\omega^\beta\otimes\omega^\gamma\ ?

Also, to get a new tensor from an old tensor, one of the techniques is to contract two of the indexes with each other. Is this another form of contraction, namely:

T_\gamma = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\alpha\gamma} = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma}\eta^{\beta}_{\phantom{\beta}\alpha} = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma}\eta^{\beta\lambda}\eta_{\lambda\alpha}\ ?

Finally, why is the 1st term on the rhs of this equation transposed??

\nabla(R\otimesM) = (\nablaR\otimesM)^T\ +\R\otimes\nablaM
 
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Living_Dog said:
is it then true that
S=S(\omega^\alpha, e_\beta, e_\gamma)e_\alpha\otimes\omega^\beta\otimes\omega^\gamma\ ?

yes

Living_Dog said:
Also, to get a new tensor from an old tensor, one of the techniques is to contract two of the indexes with each other. Is this another form of contraction, namely:

T_\gamma = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\alpha\gamma} = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma}\eta^{\beta}_{\phantom{\beta}\alpha} = S^{\alpha}_{\phantom{\alpha}\beta\gamma}\eta^{\beta\lambda}\eta_{\lambda\alpha}\ ?
yes. but the reason is easy if you remember \eta^\alpha_\beta = \delta^\alpha_\beta. where \eta^\alpha_\beta is defined
by your second equality.


Living_Dog said:
Finally, why is the 1st term on the rhs of this equation transposed??

\nabla(R\otimesM) = (\nablaR\otimesM)^T\ +\R\otimes\nablaM

Just a reminder of the way the indices line up. look at the lhs
(Ra Mb),c = Ra,c Mb + RaMb,c.

The order of indices is abc. So how do you make the 1st term on the right have
the same order? Transpose the last two entries.
 
qbert said:
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Just a reminder of the way the indices line up. look at the lhs
(Ra Mb),c = Ra,c Mb + RaMb,c.

The order of indices is abc. So how do you make the 1st term on the right have
the same order? Transpose the last two entries.

Thanks for the explanation. So ok, my transpositioning skillz are weak... is it:

(Ra,c Mb)T = MbT(Ra,c) T = Mb Rc,a?

But then the order is bca != abc.
 
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no. they're using transpose differently here.

(and not in an especially great way - in my oppinion
/see earlier in the chapter where they only transpose
the last two indices of a rank 3 tensor/ )

let's go slowly and see how this all works.

start with two rank 1 tensors, R and M. They act on vectors to give numbers.
We can form a rank two tensor R \otimes M which "eats" two vectors and spits out a number. from this we can form a rank 3 tensor by using the "gradient".

ok. say we had a rank two tensor S. the definition for the gradient
says given 3 vectors "u,v,w" we have
\nabla S (u, v, w) = \frac{\partial S_{ab}}{\partial x^c} u^a v^b w^c
or in the case of the S = R \otimes M
we have
\nabla (R\otimes M) (u, v, w) = \frac{\partial (R_a M_b)}{\partial x^c} u^a v^b w^c = \frac{\partial R_a}{\partial x^c}M_b u^a v^b w^c + R_a \frac{\partial M_b}{\partial x^c} u^a v^b w^c

Now we want to make sense of these coordinate independently
The second term is: (R \otimes \nabla M )(u, v, w).
But the first term is: (\nabla R \otimes M )(u, w, v).

Notice we've switched the order only of the last two slots. so we define a new
tensor Transpose (\nabla R \otimes M) such that
for any three vectors u, v, w
Transpose (\nabla R \otimes M) (u,v,w) = (\nabla R \otimes M) (u, w, v).

That's it.
 
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