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andrewkirk said:Ba function with an uncountable discontinuity set cannot be Riemann integrable.
Why not?
andrewkirk said:Ba function with an uncountable discontinuity set cannot be Riemann integrable.
micromass said:Why not?
(referring to fresh_42's suggestion in the preceding post that the indicator function of the rationals was Riemann integrable.)micromass said:It's not since its set of discontinuity points is uncountable.
Ah. Sorry, my post 59 is incorrect. What I should have said is that it's not Riemann integrable since its discontinuity set does not have measure zero. Sorry.andrewkirk said:(referring to fresh_42's suggestion in the preceding post that the indicator function of the rationals was Riemann integrable.)
andrewkirk said:I presume here we mean Lebesgue measure (is that correct, Micromass?).
andrewkirk said:Theorem
The indicator function of a subset of [0,1] with Lebesgue measure zero is Riemann integrable.
andrewkirk said:[tex]\sum_{k=M+1}^\infty\sum_{l=0}^\infty \left|a_{\pi(k,l)}\right| \leq \sum_{n=N+1}^\infty\left|a_n\right|[/tex]
andrewkirk said:Since the limit of the outer sum exists, we can find [itex]K\in\mathbb N[/itex], with [itex]K\geq M[/itex], such that
$$\sum_{k=K+1}^\infty\sum_{l=0}^\infty\left|a_{\pi(k,l)}\right|
<\frac\epsilon{12}$$
andrewkirk said:For 10, just wanted to check something else. I presume Vitali sets are ruled out, since they are not Lebesgue measurable. A given Vitali set must have a Lebesgue Outer Measure (since any subset of ##\mathbb R## does) and, for all I know, it could be zero. And I imagine it may be straightforward to show that any function whose discontinuity set is a Vitali set is not Riemann integrable. But a Vitali set is not Lebesgue measurable.
I mention this because Vitali sets are the only uncountable sets I know of, other than the Cantor set, that are not known (by me) to have positive Lebesgue Outer Measure. They also have the advantage of being dense and, as @mfb pointed, out a counterexample to 10 has to be dense somewhere. In fact, I think it will have to be dense at an infinite number of points (ie have an infinite set of limit points), and maybe even at an uncountably infinite number of points.
I think the solution to this problem, when it turns up, will be a most intriguing set.
What about the indicator function of the Cantor set? Its discontinuity set is the Cantor set, because the set is nowhere dense.micromass said:1) Prove that the set of discontinuity points of any function is an ##F_\sigma## set. This means that it is the countable union of closed sets.
andrewkirk said:What about the indicator function of the Cantor set? Its discontinuity set is the Cantor set, because the set is nowhere dense.
It can be written as a countable intersection of closed sets by applying de Morgan to the way the set is constructed.
But since the set is an uncountable union of isolated points I don't think it can be a countable union of closed sets. If any of those closed sets were non-singletons, the resulting set would be dense somewhere, which the Cantor Set is not. And if the sets are all singletons then the resulting set would be countable, which the Cantor Set isn't.
Have I missed something?
mfb said:It is trivial to construct functions that are discontinuous at a subset of the Cantor set (e. g. the indicator functions).
To those who may try: I suspect Riesz's representation theorem could be helpful.micromass said:Anybody still thinking about the final part? That the discontinuity set of any function is ##F_\sigma##? If nobody replies, I'll reveal the answer monday and credit andrewkirk for the problem.