Smart or Attractive? Biology's Debate on Selection

[Evo]

We've been having a discussion over in biology about selection.

Be honest, if you had only two choices, your mate could either be very intelligent, but homely, or beautiful and dumb, which would you choose?

 

[EnumaElish]

I voted; and feel lucky I didn't have to choose in real life.

 

[BobG]

I voted; and feel lucky I didn't have to choose in real life.

Because you couldn't choose homely and dumb?

Or because you couldn't choose smart and beautiful?

Or because, in real life, the answer would be none of the above because the chances are almost nil of finding a mate that will have anything to do with you.

Yes, this poll really needed more options. I really wanted to choose homely, dumb, and drunk.

 

[radou]

My choice depends on what your definition of "mate" is. If it's not just sex, then I'll definitely vote for the intelligent one. I could never live with an idiot.

 

[JasonRox]

I vote both.

 

[chroot]

I dunno.. intelligence and beauty are nice, but love, compassion, and kindness are more important to me than both. I don't really care what mix of intelligence and beauty she has, as long as she has a good heart.

- Warren

 

[Moonbear]

If those are my only choices (and some days it sure does look that way ), I'm afraid my genetic contribution to future generations is done for.

 

[Evo]

My choice depends on what your definition of "mate" is. If it's not just sex, then I'll definitely vote for the intelligent one. I could never live with an idiot.

It's nothing to think too deeply about. I seem to have remembered discussions where a lot of people placed looks over intelligence and I was curious to see if they had this difficult of a choice, if it would sway them in a particular direction.

I mean eventually we all get old and not that good looking.

The easy choice obviously would to have looks and intelligence.

 

[wolram]

which one says no most often?

 

[Astronuc]

How dumb? and How homely?

 

[Evo]

How dumb? and How homely?

Let's say 5 on a scale of ten for both, so average.

I just realized I'm somewhat shallow. I want at least a 6 on my scale of attractivess with DD being a 10.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

I voted for intelligent but homely. If my wife finds out that I voted at all, it will be the end of me. After all, she's no dummy. I doubt I could even go 5 rounds with someone stupid. Looks wouldn't help in that case. So put a bag over her head. And put another one over your own head too if it'll help.

 

[Moonbear]

How dumb? and How homely?

Precisely!

I'm not sure I could stand being around either a box of rocks in terms of mentality, or someone so hideous I felt icky if they touched me. But, if it's more like someone who's very intelligent and just mediocre in looks vs someone drop-dead gorgeous and just mediocre in intelligence, I'd choose intelligence over looks. If we're talking about the complete extremes of Einstein vs Rainman, I think I'd have to go with looks (as long as he doesn't try talking while the actual mating was happening, that might be more doable).

 

[Moonbear]

Let's say 5 on a scale of ten for both, so average.

I just realized I'm somewhat shallow. I want at least a 6 on my scale of attractivess with DD being a 10.

Okay, if we're talking average for the "lesser" trait, I'm going for intelligent and average looking.

 

[Evo]

Precisely!

I'm not sure I could stand being around either a box of rocks in terms of mentality, or someone so hideous I felt icky if they touched me. But, if it's more like someone who's very intelligent and just mediocre in looks vs someone drop-dead gorgeous and just mediocre in intelligence, I'd choose intelligence over looks. If we're talking about the complete extremes of Einstein vs Rainman, I think I'd have to go with looks (as long as he doesn't try talking while the actual mating was happening, that might be more doable).

See post 11, sorry, I should have set parameters.

We will assume that both will be equally nice.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Unless she's rich, in which case I would prefer stupid.

 

[Mk]

Intelligence == beauty

 

[Moridin]

I don't care about looks. I couldn't live without an active, mutually benefiting exchange of ideas, thoughts, comments etc.

 

[turbo]

From the Riders in the Sky (a wonderful musical group!) Stronger whiskey and weaker women is what I say!

I have dated some unattractive women that were a joy to talk to and hang out with, and some stunners that were brain-dead, and some that were otherwise interesting, but wanted "family" so strongly that it seemed like I was being evaluated as a wage-earner, not a mate. My steady date for a couple of years in HS was a Miss Maine runner-up. She was pretty, leggy, shapely, and musically talented, but it took me a couple of years before I realized that her agenda didn't fit with my more open-ended outlook. I ended up with a mate that had an upbringing more closely fitted to mine, and we have pulled together as a team. Sorry for the horse/oxen analogy, but we work very well together.

 

[chroot]

I'd also take intelligence and average looks over beauty and average intelligence. Beauty fades with time anyway, and I've always found that women with mediocre, "cute" looks grow on me rapidly if I'm attracted to their personalities. After a few weeks of interaction I think they're positively gorgeous.

- Warren

 

[Contrapositive]

Dumb, that way I am able to date them.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

How homely?

 

[Moonbear]

Dumb, that way I am able to date them.

I guess that's another way to look at it.

 

[NeoDevin]

Assuming this is only for mating purposes (which is all that is specified in the OP), I chose looks. (noone tell my wife)

 

[NeoDevin]

I also feel I should add this

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34/Attractiveness-Scale

 

[cristo]

I'm sorry to say it, but I'd take beauty and average intelligence. I'm lucky, though, since my girlfriend is both beautiful and intelligent (albeit in completely different areas to me!)

 

[Moonbear]

Assuming this is only for mating purposes (which is all that is specified in the OP), I chose looks. (noone tell my wife)

I guess it depends on whether it works better for you to have your partner gagged or yourself blindfolded. I might also be able to put up with a dumb partner if I went profoundly deaf.

 

[Astronuc]

Let's say 5 on a scale of ten for both, so average.

I'd go with intelligence, and I assume by that there is some comparable level of sincerity, compassion and kindness along the lines of what chroot mentioned.

I just realized I'm somewhat shallow.

Bull - you are not!

I want at least a 6 on my scale of attractivess with DD being a 10.

I'm going to by you a new set of glasses.

 

[k3N70n]

If I had to choose I'd probably choose neither.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

I guess it depends on whether it works better for you to have your partner gagged or yourself blindfolded. I might also be able to put up with a dumb partner if I went profoundly deaf.

They say the ideal marriage is between a blind woman and a deaf man.

 

[moe darklight]

boy... these poll results are not very flattering: 38% percent of PFrs are shallow, while the other 62% are liars

seriously though, call me shallow, but I couldn't choose a mate whom I find unattractive. so if it came down to an either or situation, I'd choose a girl I find attractive and look for intellectual stimulation elsewhere.
also, as someone mentioned before, just because she's not very smart it wouldn't mean she's not a wonderful person... for all you know, you might fall in love with someone who's not very smart. ... and then feel terrible about your vote (yes. YOU, 62% people) .

on the other side of the spectrum: my best friend broke up with his girlfriend who was quite pretty. now he is head over heels in love with this other girl. he thinks she's (in his own words) the "hottest girl ever." I personally think she's rather ugly and weird looking; she's not that smart either. ... my point is you might get neither, and not even know it

no, wait... I think my point was supposed to be something uplifting and romantic about love being blind... well, you get the point

 

[Evo]

boy... these poll results are not very flattering: 38% percent of PFrs are shallow, while the other 62% are liars

 

[FredGarvin]

I went with dumb and beautiful. Dumb I think you can work with...sort of the same thing as the saying "I'm fat. You're ugly. I can go on a diet."

 

[Kurdt]

Why have you made us make these choices. How about intelligent and homely, but do some swinging, or pretty and dumb and converse with intelligent women at work or on PF. I don't know. The pressure is too much. Most people are looking for someone they find intelligent and attractive.

Oh I'll go attractive and dumb and just talk to myself.

 

[Office_Shredder]

I think their personality is important (even if it is the same). Someone with a more biting, mean personality you would want to be dumb, so they wouldn't want to try messing with you, because you could talk them in circles. The kinder they are, the more palatable it is that you might lose an argument to them, and the more likely it is they would help you with their intelligence