Calculating 0-60 mph time for a vehicle

In summary, the conversation revolves around a person's interest in determining the time it takes for a vehicle to go from 0 to 60 mph based on engine power. However, there are many factors that come into play, such as torque, air drag, and friction, making the calculation more complex. The conversation also delves into various equations and theories to help solve the problem.
  • #71
##v=\sqrt{\frac{m(\frac {F_t} m -gC_r)}{c}}tanh(\sqrt{\frac{(\frac {F_t} m -gC_r)c}{m}}t)##

Can also be written as:

##v(t) = \sqrt \frac {K_1}{ K_2} tanh (\sqrt {K_1 K_2} t)##


##K_1 = \frac {F_t} m - gC_r##
##K_2 = \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S * \frac 1 m ##

##K_1 = \frac Q m ##

##K_2 = \frac c m ##

##Q= mK_1##
##c = m K_2 = \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S##

##Qc = m^2 K_1 K_2 ##
##\frac Q c = \frac {K_1}{K_2}##

And, above all:
$$F_t = \frac {T_w} r $$
##T_w ## = Wheel torque <> EngineTorque
r = wheel radius - Typical value = 0.31 m

but we must take into account Overall Gear Ratio:

##T_w = T_e G##
G = overall gear ratio - Typical value for EVs = 8

hence:

$$F_t = \frac {T_e G} r$$

For typical values:
$$F_t = 26 T_e $$

$$v=\sqrt{\frac{m(\frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r)}{c}}tanh(\sqrt{\frac{(\frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r)c}{m}}t)$$

For typical values:

$$v=\sqrt{m\frac{ (\frac {26 T_e} m - 9.81 C_r) }{\frac 1 2 \rho C_d S}}tanh(\sqrt{ \frac{(\frac {26 T_e} m - 9.81 C_r)(\frac 1 2 \rho C_d S)}{m}}t)$$



But this behaviour is valid only as long as ##v<v_c##, with:
##v_c= \frac 4 {1000} RPM_{MaxTorque}##

After ##v_c##, ##T_e## is no longer constant but it decreases as ##\frac K v##... and I have yet to determine K value.
 
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  • #72
So, considering these new expression for K1:

##K_1 = \frac {F_t} m -gC_r = \frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r##

and same of previous for K2:

##K_2 = \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S \frac 1 m##Terminal Velocity (theoretically maximum achievable speed) is:
##v_t = \sqrt{\frac {K_1}{K_2}} = \sqrt{\frac { \frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r}{\frac 1 2 \rho C_d S \frac 1 m}} =\sqrt { 2\frac { T_e G - 9.81 \times rmC_{rr}}{r \rho C_d S}}##
(but I get 122 m/s for Zoe, maybe because this formula assumes constant torque "for ever" rather than just up to ##v_c## ; v=122 m/s means 440 km/h, but to achieve such a speed by applying constant force, a final power of 770 kW would be needed!)

And time-to-60mph is:

$$t_{60} = \frac 1 {\sqrt{K_1 K_2}} atanh(\sqrt{\frac {K_2} {K_1} } v_{60}) $$

Which expanded is:
$$t_{60} = \frac 1 {\sqrt{( \frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r) ( \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S \frac 1 m)}} atanh(\sqrt{\frac {( \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S \frac 1 m)} {( \frac {\frac {T_e G} r} m -gC_r)} } v_{60}) $$
 
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  • #73
And I eventually found K in T =##\frac K v ## !
## T=T_m## (##0<v<v_c##)
##T(v) = \frac {P_m r} G \frac 1 v ## (##v>v_c##)

##P(v)=\frac {P_m} {v_c} v## (##0<v<v_c##)
##P = P_m ## (##v>v_c##)

I also found that I can calculate overall gear ratio in this way:

$$G = \frac {P_m r}{T_m v_c}$$

As seen above, it allows calculating torque at wheels rather than at motor.

Formulas in previous posts have been edited, revised and fixed multiple times, but they should ok now!
 
  • #74
It is worth noting that as long as torque is constant, the expected terminal velocity is ##\sqrt(\frac{K_1}{K_2})##, but once torque becomes decreasing, expectations are very reduced! terminal velocity becomes $$\sqrt[3]\frac{\frac {P_m} m}{\frac 1 2 \rho C_d A \frac 1 m} = \sqrt[3] \frac {2 \times P_m}{\rho C_d A}$$
which is way lower than previouse one!
(53 m/s vs 122 m/s for Renault Zoe)

To calculate terminal velocity you've just to equal acceleration to 0 and taking into account two different cases for constant and variable torque:

##a(v) = a_0 - \beta v^2 =0##
==> ##v_f = \sqrt{\frac{a_0}{\beta}}##

##a(v) = \frac {w_0}{v} - \beta v^2 =0##
==> ## v_f = \sqrt[3]{\frac{w_0}{\beta}}##

##a_0 = \frac {GT_e} {rm}##
##\beta = \frac 1 2 \rho C_d S \frac 1 m##
##w_0=\frac {P_m} m##
 
  • #75
If I consider $$v=\sqrt{\frac F c}tanh(t\frac{\sqrt{cF}}m)$$ I can visually see that $$t_{62}=6.3 secs$$ , but if I use inverse formula $$t=\sqrt{\frac{m^2}{Fc}}atanh(v\sqrt{\frac c F})$$ I get 13.4 secs, almost double the time, why?
 
  • #76
I considered $$c=\frac 1 2 \rho C_d A$$ and $$F =\frac{T_e G} r$$ , being G=overall gear ratio ~=8
 
  • #77
jumpjack said:
If I consider $$v=\sqrt{\frac F c}tanh(t\frac{\sqrt{cF}}m)$$ I can visually see that $$t_{62}=6.3 secs$$ , but if I use inverse formula $$t=\sqrt{\frac{m^2}{Fc}}atanh(v\sqrt{\frac c F})$$ I get 13.4 secs, almost double the time, why?
Solved:
I was plotting using WinPlot... which unfortunately has no definition for atanh(), hence it plotted a*tanh() !
Above formulas are correct, and the final formulas for v(t) and t(v) are:


$$v(t) = \sqrt{\frac {T_eG}{rc}} \tanh \left( \frac t {cT_eG}{rm} \right)$$


$$t(v) = \sqrt \frac {m^2r} {cT_eG} atanh \left( v \sqrt \frac {cr}{T_eG} \right) $$

##T_e## = Engine torque [Nm]
G = total gear ratio (~8 for EVs) (=##\frac {P_mr}{T_m v_c} ##)
r = wheel radius [m]
c = air drag constant (=##\frac 1 2 \rho C_d A##)
m = vehicle mass [kg]
##P_m## = Maximum power
##T_m ## = Maximum engine torque
##v_c## = critical speed (Torque is constant and maximum for ##v<v_c##, Power is constant and maximum for ##v>v_c##)

P(v) and T(v) behaviours:
##T_e(v)=T_m## (##0<v<v_c##)
##T_e(v) = \frac {P_m r} G \frac 1 v ## (##v>v_c##)

##P(v)=\frac {P_m} {v_c} v## (##0<v<v_c##)
##P(v) = P_m ## (##v>v_c##)

Unfortunately, v(t) and t(v) formulas above are valid only for ##v<=v_c##.
 

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