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No I'm not measuring energy in the core, but I am getting a value for the energy from that integration formla via the simulation.jim hardy said:your math looks good
it's an approach i never thought of, figuring L from Energy
*Can you measure energy in the core ?
Sorry, could you please remind me what the difference was between small and large signal values?jim hardy said:hmm we're speaking of this arrangement ?
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again, reason it by taking to extremes
1. Zero DC flux, adjust AC source voltage - impedance is fairly constant at flux below saturation where slope is constant, see above second BH curve shortest red tangent (which i should have numbered 1.) .
Upon reaching saturation impedance drops as on tangents 2 and 3. Remain aware it's a non-linear device then because current departs from sine shape.
So yes, V.s per turn affects impedance, and applying enough V.s per turn effects a precipitous drop in impedance !
2. So much DC that core is utterly saturated -
now you're not sweeping flux across zero anymore, you're operating out on a wing like upper BH curve ?
Sorry, when I said "And I can't remember, did you think that any V.s/N on the two 200 turn coils would make any difference to the impedance of the reactor?"
Judging from the rest of what you said I think you still understood what I was asking. Yeah taking it to the extremes is a good idea.
So that small signal impedance, that was the wobble on the BH curve? (The Wobble around the large signal method point on the BH curve?)
So when there is no DC flux, the wobble is the entire movement of the BH curve, sweeping up the linear region and back down negative again. But when there is DC it will wobble a bit around the DC B point. But when it is 'utterly' saturated it won't wobble at all?
So the more saturated we get, the less small signal impedance there is?
If all that's true, all that was said 'eons ago' might actually make a lot more sense to me.
So if you were to calculate the impedance of the reactor using KVL on your measurements this would give the large signal method impedance, or something else?)
Thanks!