Mass of Atom in a Mass Spectrometer

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The discussion centers on calculating the mass of doubly ionized atoms using a mass spectrometer's data. The relevant equation for the charge-to-mass ratio is q/m = (2V)/(B^2 * r^2). The user initially struggled with algebraic manipulation but later found the correct formula to be m = (q * B^2 * r^2) / (2V). There was clarification on how kinetic energy relates to the motion of ions in the spectrometer, emphasizing the connection between electric potential energy and magnetic force. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the physics behind the equations used in mass spectrometry calculations.
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Homework Statement


A mass spectrometer yields the following data for a beam of doubly ionized atoms of a single element.

B = 8.0*10^-2 T
q = 2(1.60*10^-19 C)
r = 0.077 m
V = 156 V

I am asked to solve for Mass (m) in kg.

Homework Equations


q/m=((2V)/((B^2)*(r^2)))

I am only partially sure that this is the correct equation. It is the equation for the "Charge-to-Mass Ratio of an Ion in a Mass Spectrometer".


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to rearange the equation, but my Algebra skills aren't very good. This is what I ended up with:

m=q/(2V)/((B^2)*(r^2))

I tried to work this out with my calculator, but my answer was incorrect.

The number I got was very small: ~3.89*10^-28

EDIT:

Tried to use this instead: m=(q(B^2)(r^2))/(2V)

Still, my answer was far too small, at ~3.89*10^-26


My comprehension of both Physics and Algebra is limited at best. I would really appreciate some help. Thank you.
 
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Show how do you calculate. And do not forget the units. What do you think, how much is the mass of an atom in kg-s?

Your original formula is :

\frac{q}{m}=\frac{2V}{r^2 B^2}

Plug in the numbers and simplify.
ehild
 
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I was wondering how you guys obtained that formula.
 
The ion is accelerated by an electric field. Flying through a potential difference V, it gains kinetic energy equal to qV

1/2 mv^2=qV.

It enters into the chamber of the mass spectrometer, where the magnetic field is perpendicular to the velocity. The magnetic force is

F=qvB.

This is a constant force, normal to the velocity, so the ion will move along a circle of radius R.
The centripetal force for the circular motion is equal to the force of the magnetic field:

(*) mv^2/R = qvB

but you know that mv^2= 2qV, so

2qV=RqvB --->v=2V/(RB).

(*) can be written as q/m=v/(RB). Plug in the expression for v.

ehild
 
oh ok that makes sense. I hadn't thought of kinetic energy/work relationship as a way to substitute for speed. thanks!
 
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