Osama Bin Laden killed by US in Pakistan

[thorium1010]

Terrorism does not stop with osama bin laden.He is one of those who has sowed the seeds for extreme ideology.So while this is a moral or whatever else type of victory someone may say, the ideology is pretty much alive.

 

[WhoWee]

Terrorism does not stop with osama bin laden.He is one of those who has sowed the seeds for extreme ideology.So while this is a moral or whatever else type of victory someone may say, the ideology is pretty much alive.

Some people engage in devil worship too - what is your point? Has anyone else done anything comparable? There's a big difference between thinking and doing.

 

[Char. Limit]

He's dead - "courtesy of the red, white and blue" - enjoy it.

I like your style.

 

[Evo]

And this headline from Reuters.

Mideast reax to Bin Laden death

Seriously, do they have school children type these things?

 

[WhoWee]

And this headline from Reuters.

Mideast reax to Bin Laden death

Seriously, do they have school children type these things?

People "ax" me questions all of the time.

 

[thorium1010]

Some people engage in devil worship too - what is your point? Has anyone else done anything comparable? There's a big difference between thinking and doing.

you are joking right ? Given time any terrorist would match what osama has done unless kept in check. Thinking is one thing but motivation for doing it comes from you know where .

 

[WhoWee]

you are joking right ? Given time any terrorist would match what osama has done unless kept in check. Thinking is one thing but motivation for doing it comes from you know from where .

The "doing" part comes when we let down our guard and start believing we're safe - IMO.

 

[qspeechc]

I haven't read this entire thread so maybe someone has asked this already, but, they said they confirmed with DNA testing that it was Osama, so what DNA did they compare it too? They already had Osama's DNA? That's odd.

 

[Char. Limit]

I haven't read this entire thread so maybe someone has asked this already, but, they said they confirmed with DNA testing that it was Osama, so what DNA did they compare it too? They already had Osama's DNA? That's odd.

Not so odd, I think. He fought on the American side in the 80's, if I recall correctly, so a sample may have been obtained then. If not that, then perhaps they compared his DNA with the DNA of other bin Laden family members. That would be enough to at least confirm a familial match.

 

[qspeechc]

Ok that explains a lot (I don't know much about these things). Another thing I find strange is that this compound was so close to the Pakistani military training ground or whatever it was, and they didn't have a clue! It was something like 1km away, now that is astounding.

 

[KingNothing]

I really suggest you guys watch this video. It is very touching, and really reminds us what we're all here for.

 

[thorium1010]

I do not know how reliable this is , they id ed him with his dead sister's brain ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488004/Osama-Bin-Ladens-body-identified-by-sisters-brain.html"

 

[AlephZero]

This is not really a murky issue; it's pretty black and white.

Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.

A cartoon in the UK paper a couple of days ago summed up the attutude of these animals (I mean the ones with US citizenship) pretty well, though it's curious that it appeared just before this news broke. A GI Joe with his rifle stuck up the nose of Islamist, saying "You can't be innocent. If you were, you would be locked up in Gitmo".

 

[turbo]

Ok that explains a lot (I don't know much about these things). Another thing I find strange is that this compound was so close to the Pakistani military training ground or whatever it was, and they didn't have a clue! It was something like 1km away, now that is astounding.

Re: my bold, I don't think that we should be gullible enough to assume that. Bin Laden was VERY wealthy, and quite able to buy off enough politicians and military officers to ensure himself safe haven. We may learn more of the back-story in days and weeks to come, but don't expect to see anything made public that would embarrass Pakistan's leadership.

 

[Mech_Engineer]

Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.

His options were lie down and be captured, or resist and die. I guess we know which one he chose. He didn't die because the seals were there to carry out a death sentence, he's dead because he probably shot at them.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed

As reported, Osama resisted. Cops shoot people every day under similar circumstances.

I'm not sure if they wanted him dead or alive, but he almost certainly would have been more valuable in terms of information, if taken alive.

No matter. Many people will spin this negatively regardless of the facts. In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right. Most Americans are thrilled that we got this menace. No amount of complaining will change that fact.

 

[Mech_Engineer]

No matter. Many people will spin this negatively regardless of the facts. In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right.

Who in the "extreme right" is complaining he didn't receive due process?

 

[thorium1010]

Here's another link describing how they id osama also the dna match

http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/02/its-a-match-how-officials-used-dna-to-identify-bin-laden/"

Of course, to ID Bin Laden in this way, they would have to have some Bin Laden DNA lying around to compare it to. I don't know if they had some from some inside source, or not. What they do have is brain tissue from Bin Laden's sister, who died in the US. They can compare his genetic signature to hers and determine if they are related — which is as close as you can get to guaranteeing it's Bin Laden without a sample of his actual DNA from prior to his death.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=how-do-you-id-a-dead-osama-anyway-2011-05-02"

 

[Newai]

I'm guessing Mr. Trump will need to see a long-form death certificate?

Damn. I was waiting at work all day to come home and drop this one.

 

[Newai]

I'm not sure if they wanted him dead or alive, but he almost certainly would have been more valuable in terms of information, if taken alive.

There was a military official on the news that said he wasn't a valuable information source. I'll see if I can find a clip that might explain their position.

 

[WhoWee]

In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right. Most Americans are thrilled that we got this menace. No amount of complaining will change that fact.

Are you referring to the waterboarding of KSM?

 

[Ryumast3r]

Ok that explains a lot (I don't know much about these things). Another thing I find strange is that this compound was so close to the Pakistani military training ground or whatever it was, and they didn't have a clue! It was something like 1km away, now that is astounding.

They totally knew. They say they didn't, but they did... there's no way they didn't.

Pakistan has been screwing the rest of the world for years over this issue and nothing gives me any indication that they'll stop trying.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

There was a military official on the news that said he wasn't a valuable information source. I'll see if I can find a clip that might explain their position.

Yeah, that's why they were ripping out hard drives before leaving the compound.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Who in the "extreme right" is complaining he didn't receive due process?

Have you visited any right-wing forums lately?

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Are you referring to the waterboarding of KSM?

I have no idea how you jumped to that. I was talking about getting Osama.

But it is interesting that where Bush failed after 7 years, Obama got him in 2; without the use of torture.

 

[DaveC426913]

Yeah, and I'm 100% sure he got a fair trial before the death sentence was imposed.

Seriously? Maybe you need a primer in law then. An accused must first allow himself to be arrested. Do you suppose OBL and all his friends dropped their guns and put up their hands?



And it doesn't make sense to kill him. He is far far more useful alive. They would have had a field day parading him around. They'd be insane to impose this "death sentence" as you call it. Having him alive would absolutely and unequivocably vanquish the inevitable conspiracists that are already raising their heads.

 

[WhoWee]

Have you visited any right-wing forums lately?

No? Who does that?

 

[Darken-Sol]

How are the US military going to justify invading any more middle eastern countries now? :O

oil. charge five bucks a gallon for gas and most of won't care wher you get it. just lower the damn price.

 

[JaredJames]

Yeah, that's why they were ripping out hard drives before leaving the compound.

Well Osama as an info source =/= hard drives as a source.

 

[WhoWee]

I have no idea how you jumped to that. I was talking about getting Osama.

But it is interesting that where Bush failed after 7 years, Obama got him in 2; without the use of torture.

I'll try to find a link - heard a report that intel gathered from KSM and verifed in 2007 provided the courier.

 

[Pengwuino]

Re: my bold, I don't think that we should be gullible enough to assume that. Bin Laden was VERY wealthy, and quite able to buy off enough politicians and military officers to ensure himself safe haven. We may learn more of the back-story in days and weeks to come, but don't expect to see anything made public that would embarrass Pakistan's leadership.

Although behind the scenes, Pakistan will have many questions to answer.

In the end, this will only serve to further discredit the extreme right. Most Americans are thrilled that we got this menace.

Nothing like politicizing the greatest day in recent US history less than 24 hours after the announcement. Even politicians aren't this bad.

As for the conspiracy theorists, this is an easy one. If Bin laden shows up in a video within the next few months, they lied. If not, he's dead.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I'll try to find a link - heard a report that intel gathered from KSM and verifed in 2007 provided the courier.

Even if so [note that Fox reported Osama was killed by a bomb a week ago] that was four years ago.

Obama got him in just over two years without the use of torture.

 

[Newai]

Yeah, that's why they were ripping out hard drives before leaving the compound.

bin laden. He was described as not a valuable source of information, particularly in terms of actually providing it and being in charge of developing programs himself.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

bin laden. He was described as not a valuable source of information, particularly in terms of actually providing it and being in charge of developing programs himself.

By definition, they can't know that until they catch him.

How can we say what he knows if we can't even find him. The assertion fails with no need of further consideration.

 

[Newai]

Anyway, I'm going to celebrate tonight with TWO bottles of wine and a Michael Bay movie.