What are the equal-and-opposite forces of friction forces?

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In the discussed scenario, a block on a table is connected to another block hanging off the edge, with all objects stationary, indicating zero net force according to Newton's laws. The conversation focuses on identifying the forces acting on each object, particularly the friction forces and their equal and opposite counterparts. Friction is defined as a force opposing relative motion between surfaces in contact, emphasizing that the direction of movement between the surfaces is crucial. The confusion arises regarding the friction forces between the table and the Earth, as it seems counterintuitive to consider the Earth moving laterally. Ultimately, the clarification helps resolve the misunderstanding about the nature of friction forces in this equilibrium situation.
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Homework Statement



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A block rests on a table, and a second block, connected to the first with a rope, hangs over the side of the table. See the illustration. (Assume the pulley is massless and frictionless.) All objects pictured are stationary.

Identify every force involved in the pictured situation.

Homework Equations



Newton II and III.

The Attempt at a Solution



None of block 1, block 2, the table, or the Earth are accelerating, so Newton II tells us the net force on each of the 4 objects must be 0. I'll identify forces in opposite pairs a la Newton III:
  • Gravitational force of Earth exerted on block 1
  • Gravitational force of block 1 exerted on earth
  • Gravitational force of Earth exerted on block 2
  • Gravitational force of block 2 exerted on earth
  • Gravitational force of Earth exerted on table
  • Gravitational force of table exerted on earth
  • Normal force of table exerted on block 1
  • Normal force of block 1 exerted on table
  • Normal force of Earth exerted on table
  • Normal force of table exerted on earth
  • Tension of rope exerted on block 1 due to block 2
  • Tension of rope exerted on block 2 due to block 1
  • Force of friction exerted on block 1 due to table
  • ? Force of friction exerted on table due to block 1 ?
  • Force of friction exerted on table due to earth
  • ? Force of friction exerted on Earth due to table ?
As you might have guessed from all the question marks, I'm confused about the opposite pairs to the friction forces. Obviously I need to include them for the table and the Earth to be in equilibrium, but I don't really know what they mean.

When I say, "The table exerts a force of friction on block 1," what I mean is that the block would be moving laterally across the table, except that the friction force of the table's surface opposes that motion.

But if I try to form the analogous statement, it does not seem to me to be the case that the Earth would be moving laterally beneath the table, except that the friction force of the table's feet opposes that motion. What gives?
 
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Have you drawn your force diagrams for each object?
 
thecommexokid said:
As you might have guessed from all the question marks, I'm confused about the opposite pairs to the friction forces. Obviously I need to include them for the table and the Earth to be in equilibrium, but I don't really know what they mean.

When I say, "The table exerts a force of friction on block 1," what I mean is that the block would be moving laterally across the table, except that the friction force of the table's surface opposes that motion.

But if I try to form the analogous statement, it does not seem to me to be the case that the Earth would be moving laterally beneath the table, except that the friction force of the table's feet opposes that motion. What gives?
Friction is a force that opposes the relative motion between two surfaces that are in contact. It does not matter which direction the surfaces are moving or would be moving relative to some particular rest frame. What matters is which direction the surfaces are moving or would be moving relative to each other.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
It does not matter which direction the surfaces are moving or would be moving relative to some particular rest frame. What matters is which direction the surfaces are moving or would be moving relative to each other.

Cool. I think that clears up my confusion.
 
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