What is the Lagrangian of a Pendulum with Oscillating Top Point?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lagrangian for a pendulum with an oscillating top point described by y=a*cos(gamma*t). The derived Lagrangian is presented, leading to an equation of motion that appears similar to that of a fixed pendulum, which raises questions about the impact of the oscillation. The final equation of motion includes terms that account for the oscillation, specifically showing that the acceleration of the pendulum's angle is influenced by both gravitational and oscillatory effects. The contributor expresses concern about the unexpected similarity to the fixed pendulum's equation and seeks validation of their derivation. The analysis highlights the complexity of dynamic systems and the nuances in applying Lagrangian mechanics.
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Homework Statement



Consider a pendulum the top point of which is oscillating vertically as y=a*cos*(gamma*t)

Find its Lagrangian and the equation of emotion

The Attempt at a Solution



I can do most of the question and obtain the Lagrangian, but when I derive the equation, I achieve the same one as that of pendulum which is fixed at the top point i.e. angular velocity or ("theta dot") = -g*sin(theta)/l

This seems strange to me, as I expected the oscillation at the top to vary the equation of motion

Regards,
The Keck
 
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Take ordinary x-y plane coordinate (x-right;y-up) and the origin is the oscillating center of the top point. The horizontal plane of the origin is set to be the zero gravitational potential.
The Lagrange of the pendulum is
L=\frac{m}{2}\left[\left(\dot{y}-l\dot{\theta}\sin\theta\right)^2+\left(l\dot{\theta}\cos\theta\right)^2\right]-\left[-mg\left(l\cos\theta-y\right)\right]
=\frac{m}{2}\left[\dot{y}^2-2\dot{y}l\dot{\theta}\sin\theta+l^2\dot{\theta}^2+2g(l\cos\theta-y)\right]
The equation of motion is
\frac{\partial L}{\partial\theta}-\frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{\theta}}\right)=0
\Rightarrow-2\dot{y}l\dot{\theta}\cos\theta-2gl\sin\theta-\frac{d}{dt}\left(-2\dot{y}l\sin\theta+2l^2\dot{\theta}\right)=0
\Rightarrow-\underline{2\dot{y}l\dot{\theta}\cos\theta}-2gl\sin\theta-\left(-2\ddot{y}l\sin\theta-\underline{2\dot{y}l\dot{\theta}\cos\theta}+2l^2\ddot{\theta}\right)=0
\Rightarrow-2gl\sin\theta-\left(-2\ddot{y}l\sin\theta+2l^2\ddot{\theta}\right)=0
\Rightarrow-2gl\sin\theta+2\ddot{y}l\sin\theta-2l^2\ddot{\theta}=0
\Rightarrow\ddot{\theta}+\frac{g}{l}\sin\theta-\frac{\ddot{y}\sin\theta}{l}=0
recall y=a\cos(\gamma t)
the last term vanishes when the top point without oscillating.

i hope there is no mistake in my derivation and the result is your answer.
 
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Thanks a lot, mate! I used a different reference system, which sort of stuffed me upRegards,
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