- #106
Nachtwolf
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I'm a Seeker, Russ. Since you're ignorant of Millennium, and too lazy to check the website I devoted to that wonderful religion, you may not know that it revolves around three tenets:Hi Pot, I'm Kettle. Nice to meet you.
1. Self Doubt
2. Objectivity
3. Reason
I glanced at the above which you wrote, and at Evo's comment underneath it, and thought, "I should remember Self Doubt here. I'm not always right. It looks like I did something wrong." I was ready to apologize; I was thinking about how I should phrase it. Meanwhile I sat down. And I clicked, and clicked, and clicked. And I looked through the thread and scanned through the posts I'd been ignoring to make sure I knew what this "pot to kettle" thing was in reference to. Two possibilities emerge.
Possibility 1:
From Ho et. al. (1988) "Covariation Between Intelligence and speed of Cognitive processing. Genetic and environmental influences" (Published in Behavioral Genetics, 18, page 247-261.)
White Males (413)... Brain Weight: 1392g... Brain Weight Ht.Adjusted: 1392g
Black Males (228)... Brain Weight: 1286g... Brain Weight Ht.Adjusted: 1290g
Note where I supplied a date, title, and place of publication so that anyone who wished could look it up. Note also where I supplied a white male size, and a black male size, for comparison. What did I complain about, Russ? Maybe the extremely old date on Evo's source, the lack of a comparison group to give the data she supplied some relative meaning, the lack of a title and place of publication, and my inability to look it up.
(Note to Evo: I didn't find my source through Ruston's work; I found it through Jensen's The g Factor, so of course, I didn't have a URL, did I? I gave you the source information I had, and it was plenty.)
Possibility 2:
"Other people dismiss your studies, and now you're dismissing Evo's!"
Yeah. Because it had no reference group so there's no brain size disparity, just a mean value, because there was no title so I wasn't even be sure this study existed, and because it's over a hundred years old! What do you want me to say? "Oh my God, this totally refutes all the myriad studies which are more recent and use better methods like MRI!" I thanked Evo for providing it, and she should be happy with that, because it is, honestly, pathetic.
I could tell you that this doesn't show up in my dictionary, but this is more to the point - which race do I think is superior to others, Russ? American Blacks, with their high ratio of fast twitch to short twitch muscle fiber, high bone density, and high T-levels, which grant them a powerful edge throughout the entire sporting arena? East Asians, with their excellent Visuospatial ability which lends them skill in the sciences? Jews, perhaps, with the best apparent verbal ability on the planet and high earning power? Or whites, with their noteworthy Field Independence? Read your own definition and understand my positions before b****ing to me about me being a racist - I don't believe in the superiority of anyone race, so no, I'm not a racist even by your definition of the word, am I?"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."
If you really cared about my intentions and beliefs, you could have figured them out without too much trouble by dropping by the website I run. If you check the section labeled "strategies" under http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/eugenics.htm , you'll see these things listed:Then clarify it. Simplify. Boil it down. HOW EXACTLY do you plan/hope to achieve this?
Socialized Birth Control
Voluntary Measures
Welfare Reform
Prison Reform
Immigration Reform
Research
You'll also note that I say this:
Many people have simplistic ideas about what eugenics ultimately boils down to. The two main methods for affecting eugenic change which come to mind when you mention the word "eugenics" to someone is either mass sterilization or genetic manipulation, neither of which are seriously spoken of amongst modern eugenists regardless of religious or political affiliation.
You people oppose, and oppose, and oppose, and it's all one giant straw man. Nereid at least understands whom she's arguing against. She bores me to tears but she has a clue what this is about. Did it ever even occur to you, Russ (or Zero), as I was busily telling you that you weren't getting it, that you weren't getting it?
I'm not trying to bust your chops here, Nereid, but you keep picking at this, and I keep telling you that I don't care about your trivial points. I'm sorry if you feel left out or disappointed or irritated or whatever because I don't reply. Sometimes you say things that I think are interesting or at least worth a rebuttal; most of the time, it's a waste. See what I just did for Russ? Those points he raised were trivial, and my responding to them was ultimately a waste of my time.Nachtwolf repeatedly ignored questions, said he was too busy to address manifest inconsistencies in his assertions
So let me be crystal clear for you, and Russ, and Evo, and everybody else in the Nachtwolf Fan Club over here: If I don't reply to your posts, or if I seem like I'm dismissive of or unaffected by your comments, it's because they're lame, and I have better things to do than assuage your ego and make you feel as though your concerns are valid when they aren't.
Let this be a blanket explanation which serves the next time I don't respond to your posts or don't rush to explain my position. You people can continue to heckle and harass me with these stupid charges of racism and these inept mischaracterizations of my goals and philosophy; just don't expect me to act horrified and struggle to defend myself. I don't want to be needlessly harsh, here, but I'm not responsible for what you believe, and I can't be blamed for your misunderstanding my ideas. If you really are that interested in eugenics, you can always do what Nereid has, and go to the Millennium website, where you will learn more than you ever wanted to about what I think. And if you decide after reading it that I'm even more horrible than you ever imagined, that's fine; just please don't ask me to explain this again, because I'm juggling hot babes and tough classes and just don't have the energy.
--Mark
P.S. Adam: I'd have liked to discuss further your apparent promotion of genetic tinkering, which as I've said is unusual for eugenists and which I'm not really for, but it'll have to wait. Also, it's good to see that you understand that race and eugenics aren't linked. I can appreciate that you think the entire subject of race is dodgy; you may be surprised to learn that I used to try to avoid the subject of race entirely, but everywhere I went, the Ad Hominem Nazi/racist connections just poured down, so I realized that I couldn't run away from them. If you can avoid race, while still standing up for your apparently eugenic sentiments, more power to you, and good luck.