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And tree branches jacketed in solid ice get VERY heavy - a major cause of power outages when they take out utility lines.Astronuc said:It's rain (liquid) just above or at freezing but not frozen as in sleet or hail. It hits a cold surface (at or below freezing) and turns to ice. Surfaces get very icy/slippery.
And I'm just to the right of you. It's really coming down right now, I can't see the road now, so I can't tell if any stupid people are trying to drive in this, I'm sure they are.dlgoff said:That's one mean looking storm. I'm located where the arrow is and the snow is starting to pill up.
I suppose freezing rain could also be supercooled water droplets.nismaratwork said:Great... another kind of lethal weather I get to experience here. I love this country, but you have ice that seems to WANT you dead! Freezing rain... sounds like a level of hell.
Source - http://amsglossary.allenpress.com/glossary/browse?s=f&p=39freezing rain—Rain that falls in liquid form but freezes upon impact to form a coating of glaze upon the ground and on exposed objects.
In aviation weather observations, this hydrometeor is encoded ZR. While the temperature of the ground surface and glazed objects is typically near or below freezing (0°C or 32°F), it is necessary that the water drops be supercooled before striking. Freezing rain can sometimes occur on surfaces exposed to the air (such as tree limbs) with air temperatures slightly above freezing in strong winds.
Last winter (and one several years ago), we had many trees in our area just fall over from the ice and snow accumulation. We had one or two in our back yard, as well as braches just peel off some fir trees last winter.turbo-1 said:And tree branches jacketed in solid ice get VERY heavy - a major cause of power outages when they take out utility lines.
Astronuc said:I suppose freezing rain could also be supercooled water droplets.
I've only experience supercooled water once. Somehow I had a bottle of water - can't remember if it was distilled - in the refrigerator. I went to retrieve it and as soon as I bumped it, it flashed to solid. Pretty amazing.
Source - http://amsglossary.allenpress.com/glossary/browse?s=f&p=39
Astronuc said:It's rain (liquid) just above or at freezing but not frozen as in sleet or hail. It hits a cold surface (at or below freezing) and turns to ice. Surfaces get very icy/slippery.
turbo-1 said:And tree branches jacketed in solid ice get VERY heavy - a major cause of power outages when they take out utility lines.
Ice storms can be that bad or worse. People with remote car starters can at least warm up the interiors of their vehicles to loosen the grip of the ice, IF they remembered to set the heater temperature and functions when they parked their vehicle before the storm.nismaratwork said:BobG: I had so many responses, but I'm going with: wow.
turbo-1 said:Ice storms can be that bad or worse. People with remote car starters can at least warm up the interiors of their vehicles to loosen the grip of the ice, IF they remembered to set the heater temperature and functions when they parked their vehicle before the storm.
dlgoff said:That's one mean looking storm. I'm located where the arrow is and the snow is starting to pill up.
nismaratwork said:Boy, that is one time you have to wish the, "you are here" arrow to be somewhere else!
We had such a storm in 1988 that destroyed millions of trees and left many millions more damaged and susceptible to damage by disease and insects. Almost a million people were without power, many for weeks. Many gas stations had no back-up power and couldn't sell you fuel even if the roads were clear enough so that you could drive there. I was the network specialist for a large ophthalmic practice at the time. With no power in our offices, I was still busy, shuttling generators back and forth to various doctors' houses to run their furnaces in shifts so their plumbing wouldn't freeze. It was a mess. My wife and I were without power for almost a week, although we lived in a fully built-up subdivision. No power in January = bad news for many people.nismaratwork said:Whoa... sounds like one of these could paralyze a region for a long time!
turbo-1 said:We had such a storm in 1988 that destroyed millions of trees and left many millions more damaged and susceptible to damage by disease and insects. Almost a million people were without power, many for weeks. Many gas stations had no back-up power and couldn't sell you fuel even if the roads were clear enough so that you could drive there. I was the network specialist for a large ophthalmic practice at the time. With no power in our offices, I was still busy, shuttling generators back and forth to various doctors' houses to run their furnaces in shifts so their plumbing wouldn't freeze. It was a mess. My wife and I were without power for almost a week, although we lived in a fully built-up subdivision. No power in January = bad news for many people.
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Why is she out in the storm?WhoWee said:My wife just called - she's now about 18 miles from home - I estimate another hour and 15 minutes. We have a little over 1" of ice on top of about 12" of snow in the yard. I just let the puppies out and had to go out and rescue the female. Her stomach was flat on the ice and apparently her feet didn't touch the ground? She was yipping.
I know you've had your share of terrible storms up there, but I think people there are better equipped to deal with it. Even a small amount of ice in Atlanta is devastating because they aren't able to handle it.turbo-1 said:In 1988, I had a Nissan Pathfinder. I had to put my chainsaw, mixed gas and bar-oil in the back, along with tow chains and a choker-cable for moving large pieces of tree-trunk, to make sure that I could back home from work every day. It would not be unusual to wend your way through interconnecting roads that were open in the morning, only to find that your path was blocked by freshly-fallen trees on the way back home.
Lots of locals cleared fallen trees on roads near their homes so that the utility company trucks could get through more easily. If the power companies had to pay the cost for all the volunteer labor, it would have cost them millions more to restore power.
Evo said:Why is she out in the storm?
Poor puppies. I remember when we had ice once, I opened the back door and before I could stop him, my dog went charging out the door, hit the ice on the deck and went sailing off the other side. :(
Math Is Hard said:Any frozen cow footage yet?
That last batch died due to moldy sweet potatoes. Small consolation, though.Math Is Hard said:Any frozen cow footage yet?
True. We know how to drive in nasty, slippery conditions, and many people own generators, chain saws, etc. Atlanta? Not so much. Even in MD, when I was working for General Physics, a couple of inches of snow on the road would prompt mass call-ins due to the weather. I drove to work one day, to an almost-empty parking lot, and trudged upstairs to my division to find myself alone with my division's secretary. I asked her where everybody was, and she said "Snowed in." She grew up in Buffalo and I grew up in Maine, and even with my crappy Taurus rental with general-purpose tires, I had no problem getting to work. Apparently, that sort of behavior is tolerated near the Mason-Dixon line.Evo said:I know you've had your share of terrible storms up there, but I think people there are better equipped to deal with it. Even a small amount of ice in Atlanta is devastating because they aren't able to handle it.
Math Is Hard said:Any frozen cow footage yet?
Wow, that's really bad.MathAmateur said:I thought we had escaped in Tucson with temps in the 60s and 70s the last few weeks, but it is even dropping around here now. This night we are expecting temps in the low 20s with a hard freeze warning. The mountain roads are closed also due to snow.
The warning even extends quite a way into northern Mexico. It is cold everywhere in North America north of the tropics.
That's what I keep telling the Evo Child. She says what a good driver she is in snow and I tell her it's not her I'm worried about, I'm worried about the other idiots crashing into her.turbo-1 said:I would insist that she stay home just to avoid all the idiots.
My wife's vehicle has symmetrical AWD with superb tires. No problem. The problem is every jerk who has a 4x4 and thinks that enables him or her to violate the laws of physics. Pickup trucks are very bad in real slippery conditions because their weight distribution (unloaded) is so off balance.Evo said:That's what I keep telling the Evo Child. She says what a good driver she is in snow and I tell her it's not her I'm worried about, I'm worried about the other idiots crashing into her.