Palin pick an insult to our intelligence

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In summary: I guess you could say that I was surprised that the information released about her turned out to be such a non-issue to the American people. In summary, the VP pick of Sarah Palin has been largely successful in attracting women voters to the McCain campaign. However, the media's initial response was mostly in support of Mrs. Palin, and there was little questioning of her ability or experience.
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LowlyPion said:
I've noticed remarks from Sarah Palin about her plans for 2012 and she says she will be making plans for Trig to be entering kindergarten by then and it's way too early to be worrying about that.

Trig was born back in April. April of 2008. He's going to be ready for kindergarten in just 4 years? That seems a bit odd given his Downs Syndrome. Or is this merely a case of poor math skills.
Public schools, to my knowledge, require a child to be 5 at the beginning of the school year. That is why the Evo child was almost 6 before she could start Kindergarten, her birthday is Oct 3rd, so she missed the cut off by a month when she turned 5.
 
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  • #877
Evo said:
That is why the Evo child was almost 6 before she could start Kindergarten, her birthday is Oct 3rd, so she missed the cut off by a month when she turned 5.

The CaptainQuasar adult can't tell if you're talking about yourself in the third person and past tense, or about your own child. :confused::biggrin:
 
  • #878
CaptainQuasar said:
The CaptainQuasar adult can't tell if you're talking about yourself in the third person and past tense, or about your own child. :confused::biggrin:
The Evo Child is my daughter, aka The Child of Evo. Evo = evil. She's an evil child. :-p That's how I got my name.
 
  • #879
Ben Niehoff said:
Well, I don't know what the laws in Alaska are, but if them's the rules, then so be it.

It would be quite an act of hubris, though, and a political foot in the mouth. A smarter move would be to appoint someone other than herself.

I think she may be able to appoint herself through arrangement with the Lt. Governor. (If she resigns that guy gets to be the Gov, so why wouldn't he?)

But if she would do that I think that there still must be a special election called within 2 years.
Appointments

If a vacancy occurs due to a Senator's death, resignation, or expulsion, the 17th Amendment of the Constitution allows state legislatures to empower the governor to appoint a replacement to complete the term or to hold office until a special election can take place. (The only exception to this rule is Arizona, which requires a special election to fill all vacancies and does not allow for temporary appointments.) Typically, a replacement holds office until the next scheduled statewide election.
http://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Elections_Campaigns_vrd.htm
 
  • #880
According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 64% of Republicans want Palin to run for president in 2012. What are they smoking? The McCain campaign went to great lengths to shield her from the media, apart from photo-ops and scripted speeches simply because she was so dangerously uneducated and clueless. Do the Republicans want to ruin their party? She could learn some new tricks in the next 4 years, but she's not going to get a bit more intelligent, and it would be impossible for the presidential candidate to avoid answering actual questions. Wow!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain
 
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turbo-1 said:
According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 64% of Republicans want Palin to run for president in 2012. What are they smoking? The McCain campaign went to great lengths to shield her from the media, apart from photo-ops and scripted speeches simply because she was so dangerously uneducated and clueless. Do the Republicans want to ruin their party? She could learn some new tricks in the next 4 years, but she's not going to get a bit more intelligent, and it would be impossible for the presidential candidate to avoid answering actual questions. Wow!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2012/69_of_gop_voters_say_palin_helped_mccain

When I remember that the one & only issue those people turn out to vote on is abortion, that's not surprising. I say get Palin to run in 2012 & she'll keep making a fool of herself. They should just make sure she has the most militant, extreme, anti-abortion campaign the US has ever seen. She'll still crash & burn as long as she keeps making a fool of herself.
 
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fourier jr said:
When I remember that the one & only issue those people turn out to vote on is abortion, that's not surprising. I say get Palin to run in 2012 & she'll keep making a fool of herself. They should just make sure she has the most militant, extreme, anti-abortion campaign the US has ever seen. She'll still crash & burn as long as she keeps making a fool of herself.
The problem is that we need more than one political party, and though I have been severely disenchanted with the Republicans under Gingrich, DeLay, Rove, et al, it would be nice to see the party swing back to real conservatism. If Barry Goldwater could see what happened to his party in the past couple of decades (country lied into needless war, reckless borrow-and-spend policies, etc), he'd be sick.
 
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Evo said:
The Evo Child is my daughter, aka The Child of Evo. Evo = evil. She's an evil child. :-p That's how I got my name.

Oh, heh heh, that's cute!
 
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LowlyPion said:
I've noticed remarks from Sarah Palin about her plans for 2012 and she says she will be making plans for Trig to be entering kindergarten by then and it's way too early to be worrying about that.

Trig was born back in April. April of 2008. He's going to be ready for kindergarten in just 4 years? That seems a bit odd given his Downs Syndrome. Or is this merely a case of poor math skills.
Actually, it's way late. She should start planning now. My son was in early intervention at 2 years 10 months, as soon as he was diagnosed with autism. He too was born in October and this made him one of the eldest in his kindergarten class, a big help for him at that age.
 
  • #885
jimmysnyder said:
Actually, it's way late. She should start planning now. My son was in early intervention at 2 years 10 months, as soon as he was diagnosed with autism. He too was born in October and this made him one of the eldest in his kindergarten class, a big help for him at that age.

Jimmy, I haven't heard that term before - is that like a sort of specialized pre-kindergarten? And it helped? That's great.
 
  • #886
CaptainQuasar said:
Jimmy, I haven't heard that term before
I assume each state is different. In NJ, there is a state sponsored early intervention program that cuts out at age 3, so my son was under that program for a very short time. Under their administration, he went to a school outside of our district. After that he was handled by a specially convened child study team in our town which handled his educational needs. He was in specialized schools, outside of the school district, until 2nd or 3rd grade, I don't remember. In the shuffle, he got left back a year and that helped too although the school district has complained to me about it. Now he is in the regular school, but in special education classes. He will be in High School next year and we are considering whether to use the public school, or a special needs school. It is no easy decision and we haven't made it yet. He will be nearly 20 by the time he graduates and for him, those extra 2 years are a benefit.
There is a state program in Alaska, and I expect Gov. Palin is aware of it and will take advantage of its services. In addition to the State program, there are private programs specifically for children with Down's Syndrome in state. In NJ, you have the right to use non-government programs paid for by the local school district. Here is the early intervention program for Alaska:
Early Intervention Committee
 
  • #887
I hope that everything works out smoothly for your family.
 
  • #888
CaptainQuasar said:
I hope that everything works out smoothly for your family.
Thank you. We all expect that he will be fine.
 
  • #889
Of course it wasn't her fault.
AlaskaDailyNews said:
Palin reflects on her run

The defeat, the future and the critics are all addressed

By SEAN COCKERHAM
scockerham@adn.com

Published: November 9th, 2008 11:38 PM
Last Modified: November 9th, 2008 07:52 AM

Gov. Sarah Palin blames the Bush administration for the failure of the McCain-Palin ticket, thinks people need to move on from the so-called "Troopergate" controversy and has no regrets about state per diem for time spent at her home in Wasilla or state-funded travel for her children
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/584193.html
 
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  • #890
LowlyPion said:
Of course it wasn't her fault.

http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/584193.html
Unreal.

People didn't vote for McCain because Palin is incompetant. Should we send her all of the press releases from all of the major Republicans that went on record saying that they could no longer endorse McCain BECAUSE OF HER INCOMPETANCE?

Does she really think anyone believes her excuses?

Unfortunately, yes, stupid people will buy this.
 
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Yeah, even if her story is going to be that all of those incidents were unfortunate accidents and people simply didn't get to see her native genius shining through http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/smilielol.gif she ought to be able to see that had as much to do with it if not more than the Bush administration.
 
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Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin
WASHINGTON – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has put the "brutal" 2008 campaign behind her and has the next presidential race in her sights, with a flurry of national television interviews and a high-profile appearance at the Republican Governors Association meeting this week.

Palin's stepping-out has been a marked departure for a vice presidential candidate who was held to tightly controlled appearances for much of the fall campaign. She's indirectly but unmistakably put her name in play as a potential presidential candidate, saying she'll "plow through that door" if it's God's will and conditions are right.

While Republican presidential nominee John McCain has kept a low profile since last Tuesday's election, Palin has spoken forcefully to deny any responsibility for her ticket's loss. She has blamed the policies of President Bush, the handicap of representing the incumbent party and the nation's financial crisis for the GOP defeat.

"I think the economic collapse had a heckuva lot more to do with the campaign's collapse than me personally," the governor said in an interview broadcast Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show.
. . . .
She is scheduled to speak about the GOP's future at Thursday's meeting in Miami, but starts her day with an informal news conference with reporters. She'll take questions for about 20 minutes before discussing the transition of the party with other leaders, organizers said.
. . . .
Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.
 
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Astronuc said:
I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Or be able to name more than one Supreme Court decision, when auditioning to be the person who chooses Supreme Court Justices.

(She could at least have said something like, "Well, there was the Dredd Scott decision... I disagree with that, I don't think that Free states should be required to hunt down and capture out-of-state runaway slaves...")
 
  • #894
Astronuc said:
Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin
Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.
She's got four years to become as well-educated as a middle-school student. Anybody taking that bet?
 
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  • #895
turbo-1 said:
She's got four years to become as well-educated as a middle-school student. Anybody taking that bet?

I think she is fooling herself if she thinks that she can run the country, or for that matter that the country would elect her. This time at least there was a fig leaf of a chance that she wouldn't ever serve.

But as the top of the ticket, I think there aren't too many people with IQs over 100 that would think she would be a good choice to govern. It is a measure of her incompetence if she really thinks she could a) win or b) govern anything but a fascist state.
 
  • #896
Astronuc said:
I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Haven't you been paying attention? She's been learning about foreign affairs by osmosis due to Alaska's proximity to Russia! :bugeye:
 
  • #897
A question that occurs to me is what she will look like at the age of 48 or 52.

Her wannabe double chin and multiplying wrinkles will mean Newsweek will only get pictures of Miss Vanity from the back of the auditorium I'm guessing.

If her hairdresser was the highest paid consultant this time around, will her plastic surgeon be the next time she runs?
 
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AlaskaDailyNews said:
Palin wouldn't oppose call to seek presidency

The Associated Press
Published: November 11th, 2008 10:07 AM
Last Modified: November 11th, 2008 01:15 PM

WASILLA - Gov. Sarah Palin says she wouldn't hesitate to run for the presidency in four years if it's God's will, even though she never thought Campaign 2008 would be "as brutal a ride as it turned out to be."

..."I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/585479.html

Keep waiting by the phone Babe. I'm sure Reverend Muthee sees a door for you.
 
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  • #899
Astronuc said:
Palin puts 'brutal' 2008 behind her, looks to 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081111/ap_on_el_pr/palin
Presumably Obama will run for re-election, and it will be interesting to see who the Republican nominee will be. Possibly Romney, but it would be interesting to see Huckabee and Palin, who would compete for the same demographic groups.

I wonder if Palin will receive an education in energy and foreign affairs by then.

Romney and Huckabee competing for the same demographic group as Palin isn't a given. Both campaigns (and especially Romney's) speak more about the current state of the Republican Party than either candidate.

Prior to 2007, I would have thought the idea of Romney being the favorite of the religious right was ludicrous. Huckabee is a better fit since he used to be a preacher, but his record as governor doesn't match his 'conservative' reputation all that well (Jack Danforth and Jesse Jackson used to be preachers, too, and I doubt either would be a darling of the religious right). In fact, Palin's record doesn't match perfectly, although she benefits from having a much shorter record.

The religious right has a real dilemma in that no effective governor can possibly live up to their standards. The compromises one has to make when dealing with real people and real issues always dooms their 'conservative' credentials. Regardless of how badly Bush has mangled a lot of the things traditionally required of Presidents, the religious right is grateful enough to even wear buttons thanking him for Roberts and Alito. There's a different set of standards in play - they won't stand for a Reagan that merely pays lip service to the religious right, then gives other issues a higher priority.

Still, watching Huckabee and Palin would be interesting for a different reason. I can imagine them trying to out-folksy each other in a debate. I'd say Huckabee has the advantage in that he actually speaks in complete sentences.

..."I'm like, OK, God, if there is an open door for me somewhere, this is what I always pray, I'm like, don't let me miss the open door," Palin said in an interview with Fox News on Monday. "And if there is an open door in '12 or four years later, and if it is something that is going to be good for my family, for my state, for my nation, an opportunity for me, then I'll plow through that door."

Hope it's not an elevator door stuck open on the 12th floor.
 
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  • #900
Four years is a long time and many public gaffes away for her to seriously entertain busting through any door she thinks Reverend Muthee is holding open.

Her biggest flaw is her apparent near pathological shirking of any fault and revising any history that would be unfavorable about her. I suspect it will trip her up over and over along what will surely be a rocky road for her given her shallow grasp of issues and casual relationship with study.

She has lied so many times now the past few months trying to cover up her mistakes that ultimately she will be shown even to her staunchest allies to be simply not trustworthy and incompetent. If she is currently leading the pack of Republican contenders I think it is because it is a weak field. Each of the top candidates at this point are sufficiently flawed as to be unelectable.

Romney is Mormon. To some Christians that's not to be trusted. Plus he faces the problem of which Romney will show up.

Palin's brand of no solution divisiveness packaged as a Miss Congeniality sloganeer doesn't hold a lot of promise I think without her seriously re-inventing herself and growing some substantial policy muscle. (If she goes to the Senate, she can't even claim her limited executive experience any more.)

Jendal as a minority candidate is not without his own flip flops and burdened perceptually by his North-Eastern Elite education.

Huckabee may be the most positive and likable and least divisive of the bunch, but as a staunch social conservative with Ron Paul like policy positions he looks like he needs major overhaul.
 
  • #901
Her biggest flaw is her apparent near pathological shirking of any fault and revising any history that would be unfavorable about her. I suspect it will trip her up over and over along what will surely be a rocky road for her given her shallow grasp of issues and casual relationship with study.
I don't remember the young dynamic Reagan on the campaign trial in 1980 but was he a towering intellectual giant back then?
 
  • #902
LowlyPion said:
If she goes to the Senate, she can't even claim her limited executive experience any more.
Why not? She will still have had the experience.
 
  • #903
mgb_phys said:
I don't remember the young dynamic Reagan on the campaign trial in 1980 but was he a towering intellectual giant back then?

No. Maybe a little more so in 1964 when he made his "Time for Choosing" speech.

I think as he gained experience, Reagan opted more and more for images borrowed from his TV and movie past (wasn't he always the host of Death Valley Days?) and other's past (the 1980 New Hampshire debate could have been taken right out of "Mr Smith Goes to Washington"). The TV-movie image got him a lot better results than an intellectual image.

He seemed immune to all of his "Joe Biden" moments (or would it be better to characterize Joe Biden's miscues as Ronald Reagan moments?).

You could probably say the same thing about Bill Clinton in '92. He definitely projected more of a saxophone-playing, TV talk show host image than an intellectual image.
 
  • #904
Palin conditionally comfortable with Obama on Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_el_pr/palin_obama_iraq

I wonder if she will compliment him in 3 years, 357 days time.
 
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  • #905
LowlyPion said:
Jendal as a minority candidate is not without his own flip flops and burdened perceptually by his North-Eastern Elite education.
Bobby Jindal has problems that never hit the mainstream press. When he was in college, he and some other radical Catholics restrained a young woman that he had been involved with, and he performed an exorcism on her. He wrote about the experience in a very conservative (fringe) Catholic Journal, including the claim that the exorcism cured the woman of cancer, as well as driving out the demon that had possessed her. He could out-Muthee Palin hands-down with that one incident.
 
  • #906
jimmysnyder said:
Why not? She will still have had the experience.

For what it will be worth on the scales of politics.

It's not like it will stack up too high against Obama's 4 years as POTUS.
 
  • #907
Astronuc said:
Palin conditionally comfortable with Obama on Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081112/ap_on_el_pr/palin_obama_iraq

I wonder if she will compliment him in 3 years, 357 days time.

I'm sure he is relieved to have her qualified approval.

Is it possible that anyone thinks her foreign policy experience qualifies her in any way to offer any opinion about how he might handle Iraq? (Any opinion of any particular value that is.)
 
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  • #908
Sarah Palin gives interview at home:
http://community.adn.com/mini_apps/vmix/player.php?ID=2376415

There are several videos at the link.
(Not sure if you need a free account to view. It's not that hard to get.)
 
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  • #909
I just hope Stevens loses the Senate (... http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/17/sen-stevens-slips-in-alaska-vote-count/" ) so Palin can't nab the job when he's kicked out. Then I hope Alaskans vote her out when her term is over. :-p
 
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  • #910
physics girl phd said:
I just hope Stevens loses the Senate (... http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/17/sen-stevens-slips-in-alaska-vote-count/" ) so Palin can't nab the job when he's kicked out. Then I hope Alaskans vote her out when her term is over. :-p

I'd say it's looking more and more like Stevens will lose. Tomorrow is when they are supposed to finish the final count. But it looks like more Begich areas remain than Stevens as the Mat-Su Valley - Wasilla country - is already completed.

As to her future ... who knows. She looks likely to be able to retain office in 2 years or maybe even oust Murkowski in her reelection bid if she chooses.

Reports today are that she is looking at a $7M book deal. (Maybe it will be about plumbing?)
 
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