Math Challenge - June 2020

In summary: How do you get ##i^{\frac{1}{2}}## is ##e^{\frac{-\pi}{2}}##? I'm sorry I don't understand.First of all you are wrong to take the exp in the last step. And this is why you do not understand my point. The complex logarithm is not single valued as the real logarithm is. And if you take the exp you have to take care of this. The complex logarithm is defined as follows: Given ##z=re^{it}## with ##r>0##, we define ##\ln z = \log r + it##.
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Ignore this post, it contains an arithmetic error, for the correct solution, read post #40.

fresh_42 said:
4. Let ##S:=\{\,(x,y,z)\in \mathbb{R}^3\,|\,x^2+y^2=(2-z)^2,\,0\leq z\leq 2\,\}## be the surface of a cone ##C## with a circular cross section and a peak at ##(0,0,2)##. The orientation of ##S## be such, that the normal vectors point outwards. Calculate the flux through ##S## of the vector field (FR)
$$
F\, : \,\mathbb{R}^3 \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}^3\, , \,F(x,y,z)=\begin{pmatrix}xy^2\\x^2y\\(x^2+y^2)(1-z)\end{pmatrix}.$$
I assume the cone has a base because it's oriented. Let ##S_1## denote the upper cone-shaped surface given by ##z=g(x,y):=2-\sqrt{x^2+y^2},\quad ( 0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2)##. Also denote the ##x,y,## and ##z## components of ##\vec{F}## by ##P,Q,## and ##R##, respectively. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_1}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S} = \iint_{\text{Projection of } S_1\text{ in the }xy\text{-plane}}\left(-Pg_x-Qg_y+R\right)\, dA \\ = \iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}\left[\tfrac{2x^2y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}+(x^2+y^2)\left(-1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\right)\right] \, dA\\= \int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^2\left(\tfrac{r^4\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta}{r}+r^2(r-1)\right) r\, dr d\theta\\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta\, d\theta\int_0^2r^4\, dr+\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\theta \int_0^2 (r^4-r^3)\, dr=\boxed{\tfrac{32\pi}{5}}\\ \end{gathered} $$

Let ##S_2## denote the circular disk ##z=h(x,y)=0,\quad (0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2 )## with downward pointing normal. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_2}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}(x^2+y^2)\, dA\\ = -\int_0^{2\pi}\, d\theta \int_0^2 r^3\, dr=\boxed{-8\pi}\\ \end{gathered}$$

Hence, adding the fluxes, we get ##\boxed{ \iint_{S}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\tfrac{8\pi}{5}}##.
 
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benorin said:
I assume the cone has a base because it's oriented. Let ##S_1## denote the upper cone-shaped surface given by ##z=g(x,y):=2-\sqrt{x^2+y^2},\quad ( 0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2)##. Also denote the ##x,y,## and ##z## components of ##\vec{F}## by ##P,Q,## and ##R##, respectively. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_1}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S} = \iint_{\text{Projection of } S_1\text{ in the }xy\text{-plane}}\left(-Pg_x-Qg_y+R\right)\, dA \\ = \iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}\left[\tfrac{2x^2y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}+(x^2+y^2)\left(-1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\right)\right] \, dA\\= \int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^2\left(\tfrac{r^4\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta}{r}+r^2(r-1)\right) r\, dr d\theta\\ =\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta\, d\theta\int_0^2r^4\, dr+\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\theta \int_0^2 (r^4-r^3)\, dr=\boxed{\tfrac{32\pi}{5}}\\ \end{gathered} $$

Let ##S_2## denote the circular disk ##z=h(x,y)=0,\quad (0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2 )## with downward pointing normal. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_2}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}(x^2+y^2)\, dA\\ = -\int_0^{2\pi}\, d\theta \int_0^2 r^3\, dr=\boxed{-8\pi}\\ \end{gathered}$$

Hence, adding the fluxes, we get ##\boxed{ \iint_{S}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\tfrac{8\pi}{5}}##.
This is the wrong answer. The mistake is in the first part of your calculation, which I do not really understand what you did. Cover the cone with a disc ##D## and calculate ##\int_{D\cup S}F\vec{n}dS##.
 
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I used a formula out of my old Stuart Calculus book, 4th ed., pg 1100: If ##\vec{F}=\left< P,Q,R\right>## and ##S:=\left\{(x,y,z) | z=g(x,y)\forall (x,y)\in D\right\}## then (with upward directed normal)
$$\iint_{S}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=\iint_{D}\left( -P \tfrac{\partial g}{\partial x}-Q \tfrac{\partial g}{\partial y}+R\right) \, dA$$

where the instance of ##z## in any of ##P,Q,R## is replaced by ##z=g(x,y)##. This is how I learned to calcullate flux through surfaces. Is this incorrect? I checked my integration and arithmetic with WolframAlpha.
 
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Oh I see that I "lost" a factor of 2 on a single term along the way. 1 sec.
 
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Corrected arithmetic error from previous post, ##\boxed{\boxed{\text{corrections are double boxed}}}##.

fresh_42 said:
4. Let ##S:=\{\,(x,y,z)\in \mathbb{R}^3\,|\,x^2+y^2=(2-z)^2,\,0\leq z\leq 2\,\}## be the surface of a cone ##C## with a circular cross section and a peak at ##(0,0,2)##. The orientation of ##S## be such, that the normal vectors point outwards. Calculate the flux through ##S## of the vector field (FR)
$$
F\, : \,\mathbb{R}^3 \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}^3\, , \,F(x,y,z)=\begin{pmatrix}xy^2\\x^2y\\(x^2+y^2)(1-z)\end{pmatrix}.$$

I assume the cone has a base because it's oriented. Let ##S_1## denote the upper cone-shaped surface given by ##z=g(x,y):=2-\sqrt{x^2+y^2},\quad ( 0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2)##. Also denote the ##x,y,## and ##z## components of ##\vec{F}## by ##P,Q,## and ##R##, respectively. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_1}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S} = \iint_{\text{Projection of } S_1\text{ in the }xy\text{-plane}}\left(-Pg_x-Qg_y+R\right)\, dA \\ = \iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}\left[\tfrac{2x^2y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}+(x^2+y^2)\left(-1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\right)\right] \, dA\\ = \int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^2\left(\tfrac{\boxed{\boxed{-2}}r^4\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta}{r}+r^2(r-1)\right) r\, dr d\theta\\ =\boxed{\boxed{-2}}\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta\, d\theta\int_0^2r^4\, dr+\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\theta \int_0^2 (r^4-r^3)\, dr=\boxed{\boxed{\tfrac{8\pi}{5}}}\\ \end{gathered} $$

Let ##S_2## denote the circular disk ##z=h(x,y)=0,\quad (0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2 )## with downward pointing normal. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_2}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}(x^2+y^2)\, dA\\ = -\int_0^{2\pi}\, d\theta \int_0^2 r^3\, dr=\boxed{-8\pi}\\ \end{gathered}$$

Hence, adding the fluxes, we get ##\boxed{\boxed{ \iint_{S}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S}=-\tfrac{32\pi}{5}}}##.
 
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benorin said:
Corrected arithmetic error from previous post, .
I assume the cone has a base because it's oriented. Let denote the upper cone-shaped surface given by . Also denote the and components of by and , respectively. ThenLet denote the circular disk with downward pointing normal. ThenHence, adding the fluxes, we get .
Divergence is zero, flux is not. And consider the correct sign! The orientation is given in the problem statement.
 
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Ahh, yes. Seems it was a negative two that I fudged. I've edited the corrected post #40, please refresh the page @fresh_42 .
 
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The 3b1b (3 blue 1 brown) guy said you never really stop making stupid little mistakes, or something close to that. I see some evidence of this claim. Lol.
 
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benorin said:
The 3b1b (3 blue 1 brown) guy said you never really stop making stupid little mistakes, or something close to that. I see some evidence of this claim. Lol.
There is no fifth in the solution. It is quite simple if you use Gauß' theorem.
 
  • #45
I need clarification on problem 11: How to get a rope to fall if either nail is removed.
From what I can tell, the trick is to not have the rope fall, which I suppose could be done by making a loop of it. Maybe the problem is suggesting a loop (the phrase 'hang the rope around' sort of suggests one).

Suppose a 3m rope draped symmetrically between a pair of nails separated by a meter. The rope hands straight down on either side and kind of a curve between. Remove either nail and the rope is over twice as long on one side of the remaining nail as the other, so it just pulls the short side up and falls.

If the rope is a loop, then just reduce a 6 meter loop to a 3 meter rope by doubling it up.

This is way too easy of an answer, and so I presume there's something unstated in the problem that I'm not getting.
 
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I will circle back to the flux thing after this post.

fresh_42 said:
The Feynman trick is the correct idea, but I'd like to see the complete integration, since this is a bit tricky to do. And what about ##|\alpha|=1##?

Edit: The unabridged version.

#8) a) Let ##I(\alpha ) := \int_0^\pi \log (1-2\alpha \cos(x)+\alpha^2)\,dx\quad ( | \alpha | > 1)##, then

$$\begin{gathered} \tfrac{dI}{d\alpha } = \int_0^\pi \tfrac{\partial }{\partial \alpha} \log (1-2\alpha \cos(x)+\alpha ^2)\,dx = 2 \int_0^\pi \tfrac{\alpha -\cos (x) }{1-2\alpha \cos (x)+\alpha ^2} \,dx \\ = \tfrac{1}{\alpha} \int_0^\pi\left(1- \tfrac{1-\alpha ^2}{1-2\alpha \cos(x)+\alpha^2} \right) \,dx \\ \end{gathered}$$

now do Karl Weierstass' trick and apply the change the change of variables ##t=\tan \left(\tfrac{x}{2}\right) , 0\leq t\leq \infty\implies \cos (x)= \tfrac{1-t^2}{1+t^2}\text{ and } dx=\tfrac{2\, dt}{1+t^2}## to get

$$\begin{gathered} \tfrac{dI}{d\alpha } = 2\int_0^\infty \tfrac{\alpha -\tfrac{1-t^2}{1+t^2}}{1-2\alpha \left(\tfrac{1-t^2}{1+t^2}\right)+\alpha ^2}\cdot \tfrac{2\, dt}{1+t^2} = 4\int_0^\infty \tfrac{(\alpha+1)t^2+(\alpha -1)}{\left[ (\alpha +1)^2t^2+(\alpha -1) ^2\right] (1+t^2)}\, dt\\ \end{gathered}$$

Aside: partial faction decomposition of the integrand. Let ##A,B, C,## and ##D## be rational functions of ##\alpha##. Then set

$$\begin{gathered}\tfrac{(\alpha+1)t^2+(\alpha -1)}{\left[ (\alpha +1)^2 t^2+(\alpha -1) ^2\right] (1+t^2)}=\tfrac{At+B}{1+t^2}+\tfrac{Ct+D}{ (\alpha +1)^2 t^2+ (\alpha -1) ^2}\\ \implies (\alpha +1) t^2 + (\alpha -1)= (At+B) \left[ (\alpha +1)^2 t^2 + (\alpha -1) ^2 \right] + (Ct+D)(1+t^2)\\ \end{gathered}$$

solving this system of equations is quickest by plugging in enough values of ##t##, namely,

$$\begin{gathered} \boxed{t=0} : \alpha -1 = B(\alpha -1)^2+D\implies D=(\alpha -1)\left[ 1-B(\alpha -1)\right] \quad (eqn\, 1) \\ \boxed{t=i} : -2 = (Ai+B)\left[ (\alpha -1)^2+(\alpha +1)^2\right]\implies A=0 \quad (eqn \, 2)\text{ and } B=\tfrac{1}{2\alpha}\quad (eqn \, 3)\\ \end{gathered} $$

Now ##(eqn \, 2)## implies ##C=0## and substituting ##(eqn \, 3)## into ##(eqn \, 1)## gives ##D=\tfrac{1}{2}\left(\alpha - \tfrac{1}{\alpha}\right)##. End aside.

Hence we have

$$\begin{gathered} \tfrac{dI}{d\alpha } = 2\int_0^\infty\left( \tfrac{\tfrac{1}{\alpha}}{1+t^2}+\tfrac{\alpha -\tfrac{1}{\alpha}}{ (\alpha +1)^2 t^2+(\alpha -1) ^2}\right) \, dt \\ = \tfrac{2}{\alpha} \left[ \tan ^{-1} (t) \right| _{t=0}^{\infty}+2\tfrac{\alpha -\tfrac{1}{\alpha}}{(\alpha +1) ^2}\int_0^\infty \tfrac{dt}{ t^2+\left( \tfrac{\alpha -1}{\alpha +1}\right) ^2} \\= \tfrac{\pi}{\alpha} +2\tfrac{\alpha -\tfrac{1}{\alpha}}{(\alpha +1) ^2}\cdot \left( \tfrac{\alpha +1}{\alpha -1}\right)\left[ \tan ^{-1} \left( t\cdot \tfrac{\alpha +1}{\alpha -1}\right) \right| _{t=0}^{\infty} \\ = \boxed{\tfrac{2\pi}{\alpha}=\tfrac{dI}{d\alpha}}\\ \end{gathered}$$

hence

$$I(\alpha )=2\pi \int\tfrac{d\alpha}{\alpha}= 2\pi\log | \alpha | + C\quad (\text{for } | \alpha | > 1) $$

As for the case of ##\alpha =1##, I know that ##I(1)=0## but infuriatingly enough I cannot prove it with any clever trick thus far. I think there's going to be something on par with the integral of a odd function over a symmetric interval vanishes--but I did trig, log, and basic integral identities for a half hour: no joy! I think I'm just tired. I hope it will come to me later...

Note: I've read this problem somewhere before.

Edit 2: Did I say after this post? Right. Well not right after...
 
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benorin said:
I hope it will come to me later...
You're closing in. Your answer is almost right and the two cases ##|\alpha|=1## are missing.
 
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benorin said:
I will circle back to the flux thing after this post.
Note my hint in post #37.
 
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@benorin Your answer is correct, but you can simplify: What is ##2\lambda(2)##?

@Halc The condition "will fall down" means that the rope is not supported by a nail. You could take the rope to be a loop, if that's helpful.
 
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Infrared said:
Thanks for the the catch @StoneTemplePython Condition 1 should be "The ##\textbf{off-diagonal}## entries of ##A## are all positive." I should have checked more carefully.

so the 'right answer' is to apply Gerschgorin Discs / strict diagonal dominance and the result falls out. Here's a different approach:
the problem implies all diagonal entries are negative
##A = -D +B##
where ##B## is strictly positive except the diagonal is zero'd out, and ##D## is a diagonal matrix with positive diagonal entries. Multiplication by an invertible matrix doesn't change rank and it is convenient to homogenize the diagonal, so it suffices to check the invertibility of

## D^{-1}A = -I + D^{-1}B = -I + C##
where ##C## is strictly positive except its diagonal is zero

the problem tells us
##A\mathbf 1 \leq -\alpha \mathbf 1##
for some ##\alpha \gt 0##
where all inequalities are interpreted component-wise

re-scaling by positive numbers:
## \big(-I + C\big)\mathbf 1 = D^{-1}A\mathbf 1 \leq -\alpha D^{-1}\mathbf 1 \leq -\sigma \mathbf 1##
where ##\sigma := \alpha \cdot \min_i (D^{-1}_{i,i})## which implies ##\sigma## is positive. If for some reason ##\sigma \gt 1## then we can use an even looser upper bound and select ##\sigma := \frac{1}{2}##. Thus we have ##\sigma \in (0,1)##

re-arranging terms
## C\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma)\mathbf 1##
and using the non-negativity in ##C##
## C^2\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma)C\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma)^2\mathbf 1##
##\longrightarrow C^k\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma) C^{k-1}\mathbf 1\leq ... \leq (1-\sigma)^k\mathbf 1##
- - - - -
to help with interpretation:
##\mathbf x := C^{k-1}\mathbf 1##
## \mathbf x = C^{k-1}\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma)^{k-1} \mathbf 1##
so we know ##0 \leq x_j \leq (1-\sigma)^{k-1}## and by non-negativity of ##C##, we can specialize to its jth column giving us
##x_j \mathbf c_j \leq (1-\sigma)^{k-1}\mathbf c_j ##
summing over the bound:
##C^{k}\mathbf 1 = C \mathbf x = \sum_{j=1}^n x_j \mathbf c_j\leq \sum_{j=1}^n (1-\sigma)^{k-1} \mathbf c_j =(1-\sigma)^{k-1} \cdot \sum_{j=1}^n \mathbf c_j = (1-\sigma)^{k-1} C\mathbf 1 \leq (1-\sigma)^k \mathbf 1##
- - - - -

if ##C## had an eigenvalue with modulus ##\geq 1##, we'd have

##1##
## \leq \big \Vert C^k\big \Vert_F##
## = \Big(\sum_{i=1}^n\sum_{j=1}^n \vert c^{(k)}_{i,j}\vert^2 \Big)^\frac{1}{2}##
## \leq \Big(\sum_{i=1}^n\sum_{j=1}^n \vert c^{(k)}_{i,j}\vert \Big) \text{ (triangle inequality)}##
##=\sum_{i=1}^n\sum_{j=1}^n c^{(k)}_{i,j}##
## = \mathbf 1^T C^k \mathbf 1##
##\leq (1-\sigma)^k \mathbf 1^T \mathbf 1##
##=(1-\sigma)^k \cdot n##

but the upper bound may be arbitrarily small for large enough k thus the spectral radius of ##C## is ##\lt 1##, and in particular ##C## can't have an eigenvalue of 1 telling us
##\det\big(-I+C\big ) \neq 0\longrightarrow \det\big(A\big) \neq 0##
 
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Infrared said:
@benorin Your answer is correct, but you can simplify: What is ##2\lambda(2)##?
##2\lambda (2) =\zeta (2) +\hat{\zeta} (2) = \tfrac{\pi ^2}{6}+\tfrac{\pi ^2}{12} = \tfrac{\pi ^2}{4}##
where ##\hat{\zeta} ## is the alternating Zeta function, but I'm not going to prove the value of those sums. They are known :)
 
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# 8
Part a.)
Factor the logarithm:
$$

\log(1-2\alpha \cos(x) +\alpha^2)= \log[(\alpha - e^{ix})(\alpha - e^{-ix})]\\

=2\log(\alpha) + \log(1-\frac{ e^{ix}}{\alpha}) + \log(1-\frac{ e^{-ix}}{\alpha})\\
$$
The Integral becomes:
$$
I=\int_0^{\pi}\log(1-2\alpha \cos(x) +\alpha^2)dx= I_1+I_2+I_3\\

I_1=2\log(\alpha)\int_0^{\pi}dx=2\pi \log(\alpha)\\

I_2=\int_0^{\pi} \log(1-\frac{ e^{ix}}{\alpha})dx\\
$$
Make a substitution in ##I_2##:
$$
u=\frac{ e^{ix}}{\alpha}\\

du=iudx\\

I_2=i\int_{\frac{-1}{\alpha}}^{\frac{1}{\alpha}}\frac{\log(1-u)}{u}du\\
$$
Make a substitution in ##I_3##:$$
I_3=\int_0^{\pi} \log(1-\frac{ e^{-ix}}{\alpha})dx\\

u=\frac{ e^{-ix}}{\alpha}

du=-iudx\\
$$
and find,$$
I_3=-I_2\\
$$
and thus,for ##\alpha \geq 1##,$$
I=2\pi \log(\alpha)\\
$$
for ##\alpha \leq -1## take the principal branch of the logarithm,$$
I=2\pi(\log(|\alpha |)+ i\pi)\\
$$
Part b.)
Extend the the Taylor series for ##\log(1-x)## to the complex plane,$$
\log(1-x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{k+1}\frac{(-x)^k}{k}=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^k}{k}\\

\log(1-z)=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{z^k}{k}\\
$$
This series converges for ##|z| \leq 1##.
From part a.),$$
I=2\pi \log(\alpha) + \int_0^{\pi} \log(1-\frac{ e^{ix}}{\alpha})dx + \int_0^{\pi} \log(1-\frac{ e^{-ix}}{\alpha})dx\\

=2\pi \log(\alpha) -\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\ \int_0^{\pi}\frac{e^{ikx}+ e^{-ikx} }{k\alpha^k}=2\pi \log(\alpha)-2\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \int_0^{\pi} \frac{\cos(kx)}{k\alpha^k}dx\\

=2\pi \log(\alpha)-2\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{\sin(kx)}{k^2\alpha^k}|_0^{\pi}=2\pi \log(\alpha)\\
$$
We recover the result of Part a.) because ##2\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{\sin(kx)}{k^2\alpha^k}|_0^{\pi}=0##.
 
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Infrared said:
@Halc The condition "will fall down" means that the rope is not supported by a nail. You could take the rope to be a loop, if that's helpful.
My solution (the latter part) works in that case.
 
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Infrared said:
@Halc The condition "will fall down" means that the rope is not supported by a nail. You could take the rope to be a loop, if that's helpful.

The question sort of reminds me of the Borromean rings... I'm sure the answer is some clever figure-of-eight type arrangement of the loop around the pins.
 
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If all the off diagonal elements are positive and the sum of the entries in each row is negative implies that all the diagonal entries are negative. This implies that no column is a multiple of another column and therefore all the columns are linearly independent. The invertible matrix theorem states that if all the columns are linearly independent then the matrix is invertible.
 
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@StoneTemplePython I actually hadn't heard of Gerschgorin Discs and instead had a method in mind with just row reduction, but your solution looks good too.

@benorin Yes, you've solved it fully now. In case you weren't sure how to get those values, from ##\zeta(2)=\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac{1}{k^2}=\pi^2/6##, you get ##\sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{(2k)^2}=\frac{1}{4}\zeta(2)=\pi^2/24##, and then subtracting these two sums gives the sum of the reciprocals of the odd squares.

@Halc I think you're misunderstanding the problem. If you're treating the rope as a loop, then just letting it rest on top of the nails doesn't count as a valid arrangement, since it could just fall off. To rephrase it with this language: find a way of arranging a loop of rope around two nails in a wall such that if any part of the rope is pulled down, the rope will stay on the wall, but this will no longer be the case if either nail is removed.

@etotheipi Yes, and there's a general solution for ##n## nails (removing any nail will cause the rope to fall). This was just a fun puzzle a friend showed me in undergrad that I thought was fun enough to share here.
 
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Fred Wright said:
This implies that no column is a multiple of another column and therefore all the columns are linearly independent

This isn't true. For example, none of the vectors ##\begin{bmatrix}1\\0\\0\end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix}0\\1\\0\end{bmatrix},\begin{bmatrix}1\\1\\0\end{bmatrix}## are a multiple of another, and yet they are still linearly dependent. Also for ##n=2##, having the diagonal terms negative and off-diagonal terms positive is consistent with the columns being linearly dependent.
 
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Infrared said:
To rephrase it with this language: find a way of arranging a loop of rope around two nails in a wall such that if any part of the rope is pulled down, the rope will stay on the wall, but this will no longer be the case if either nail is removed.
OK, I figured it was something like that.
Cheat answer: Bend the two nails downward but with the heads touching, forming a closed loop trapping the rope.

etotheipi said:
The question sort of reminds me of the Borromean rings... I'm sure the answer is some clever figure-of-eight type arrangement of the loop around the pins.
Good description. You should get credit for it then, or at least my like.
ropes.png
 
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@Halc That picture can work, but could you re-draw it so that it's clear which strands are over/under in all of the crossings?

And, if anyone has a solution for the general problem with ##n## nails, feel free to post!
 
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Infrared said:
@Halc That picture can work, but could you re-draw it so that it's clear which strands are over/under in all of the crossings?
Also, apologies for the free-hand drawing using paint, crude, but adequate I guess.
ropes.png
 
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benorin said:
Corrected arithmetic error from previous post, ##\boxed{\boxed{\text{corrections are double boxed}}}##.
I assume the cone has a base because it's oriented. Let ##S_1## denote the upper cone-shaped surface given by ##z=g(x,y):=2-\sqrt{x^2+y^2},\quad ( 0\leq x^2+y^2\leq 2^2)##. Also denote the ##x,y,## and ##z## components of ##\vec{F}## by ##P,Q,## and ##R##, respectively. Then

$$\begin{gathered} \iint_{S_1}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{S} = \iint_{\text{Projection of } S_1\text{ in the }xy\text{-plane}}\left(-Pg_x-Qg_y+R\right)\, dA \\ = \iint_{x^2+y^2\leq 2^2}\left[\tfrac{2x^2y^2}{\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}+(x^2+y^2)\left(-1+\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\right)\right] \, dA\\ = \int_{0}^{2\pi}\int_0^2\left(\tfrac{\boxed{\boxed{-2}}r^4\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta}{r}+r^2(r-1)\right) r\, dr d\theta\\ =\boxed{\boxed{-2}}\int_{0}^{2\pi}\sin ^2\theta\cos ^2\theta\, d\theta\int_0^2r^4\, dr+\int_{0}^{2\pi}d\theta \int_0^2 (r^4-r^3)\, dr=\boxed{\boxed{\tfrac{8\pi}{5}}}\\ \end{gathered} $$
I don't understand why u have -2 inside the box while it should have been +2. Then after calculating the integrals as in the last line(where -2 I put +2) above I get $$2\frac{\pi}{4}\frac{32}{5}+2\pi\frac{12}{5}=40\frac{\pi}{5}=8\pi$$

Another way to verify this result:The divergence of the vector field F can be easily found and its 0. Hence by the divergence theorem, the flux through any closed surface is zero.

I believe you calculated correctly the flux through the circular disk at the base of the cone as##-8\pi##, this means that the flux through the surface ##S_1## must be ##8\pi## so they add together and give result 0, because the surface ##S_1## and the circular disk at the base form a closed surface.
 
  • #62
Fred Wright said:
# 8for ##\alpha \leq -1## take the principal branch of the logarithm,$$
I=2\pi(\log(|\alpha |)+ i\pi)$$
It is a real integral with a real value! If you use complex analysis, you should eliminate it again at the end.
Part b.)
Extend the the Taylor series for ##\log(1-x)## to the complex plane,$$
\log(1-x)=\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(-1)^{k+1}\frac{(-x)^k}{k}=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^k}{k}\\

\log(1-z)=-\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}\frac{z^k}{k}\\
$$
This series converges for ##|z| \leq 1##.
...
Yes, but it is ##|\alpha|## in the solution to be exact.

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Delta2 said:
I don't understand why u have -2 inside the box while it should have been +2. Then after calculating the integrals as in the last line(where -2 I put +2) above I get $$2\frac{\pi}{4}\frac{32}{5}+2\pi\frac{12}{5}=40\frac{\pi}{5}=8\pi$$

Another way to verify this result:The divergence of the vector field F can be easily found and its 0. Hence by the divergence theorem, the flux through any closed surface is zero.

I believe you calculated correctly the flux through the circular disk at the base of the cone as##-8\pi##, this means that the flux through the surface ##S_1## must be ##8\pi## so they add together and give result 0, because the surface ##S_1## and the circular disk at the base form a closed surface.
You’re correct of course, I must have missed either the minus from the formula or from the power rule yesterday. Thanks. It’s amazing what sleep does. Lol
 
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Infrared said:
@benorin Yes, you've solved it fully now. In case you weren't sure how to get those values, from ##\zeta(2)=\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac{1}{k^2}=\pi^2/6##, you get ##\sum_{k=1}^\infty \frac{1}{(2k)^2}=\frac{1}{4}\zeta(2)=\pi^2/24##, and then subtracting these two sums gives the sum of the reciprocals of the odd squares.
Iirc I did these in Fourier analysis way back when... but that is easier way. I was thinking the trick to analytically continue the zeta fcn to Re[z]>0 when I did that. Thanks.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It can be done with real analysis and elementary methods. However, part one is rather tricky, whereas part two only requires to find the series expansion which fits best. Here is a hint for part a):
$$\displaystyle{\int_0^{\pi/2} \log(\sin(x))\,dx=-\frac{\pi}{2}\log(2)}$$
#8) The case of ##| \alpha |=1##. Recall ##I(\alpha )## is define to be the integral in question. Then
$$I(+1)= \int_{0}^\pi \log (2-2\cos (x)) \, dx$$
Make the substitution ##u=\pi -x## (I’m skipping some elementary details here) to get
$$I(+1)= \int_{0}^\pi \log (2+2\cos (x)) \, dx=I(-1)$$
Let ##\beta := I(\pm 1)## so that

$$\begin{gathered} 2\beta = \int_0^\pi \log\left[ (2-2\cos (x))(2+2\cos (x))\right]\, dx \\ = \int_0^\pi \log (4\sin ^2 (x))\,dx \\ = 2\pi\log 2+4\left( -\tfrac{\pi}{2}\log 2\right) =0\\ \end{gathered} $$

Where I have used some trig identities and log properties and symmetry over ##\left[ 0,\pi \right]## of the absolute value of ##\sin x## in the last equality. Apologies for skipping steps but I’m on my phone typing this and it’s a pain but I’m sure fresh_42 can follow me well enough. If not, I will type it up in full on my Mac later.
 
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Question 3.
Let B = {en | n ∈ Z+} be an orthonormal basis for the separable infinite-dimensional Hilbert space H
of square-summable sequences of real numbers.

Let O = CC({±en | n ∈ Z+}) be the closed convex hull of ±B. Then O may be described as the Hilbert orthoplex (the generalization to Hilbert space of the regular octahedron). The set O has empty interior.* Now let

X = RO = {t⋅y | t ∈ R+, y ∈ O }

Then X is a convex subset of H that cannot be all of H because it contains no interior. And X is contained in no half-space because it contains all the axes R⋅en, n ∈ Z+.
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* For, the distance of the origin to the set {y ∈ H | Σn yn = 0} ⊂ O, where y = (yn), is zero. For instance, consider the sequence {zn} where zn = e1/n - (e2 + ... + en2+1)/n2, for which ||zn|| = √2/n.
 
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In question 13 does “ ##n\in \mathbb{N_0}##” mean that ##n=0## is allowed ?
 
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@Adesh Yes, but ##n=0## does not satisfy the condition "there are no integers ##a,b\in\mathbb{Z}## with ##3a^3+b^3=n^3.##
 
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Infrared said:
@Adesh Yes, but ##n=0## does not satisfy the condition "there are no integers ##a,b\in\mathbb{Z}## with ##3a^3+b^3=n^3.##
For ##n=0## both ##a## and ##b## cannot be an integer to satisfy the equation. One of them can be an integer but not both.
 
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Why not ##a=b=0##?
 
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