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PeroK said:For any linear operator?
For any linear operator between ##F##-spaces (Banach spaces are ##F##-spaces).
PeroK said:For any linear operator?
That's right, so the second approach is useless. :D I am so rusty ..wrobel said:By the way: there are no unbounded functionals in finite dimensional space
nuuskur said:That's right, so the second approach is useless. :D I am so rusty ..
Math_QED said:The closed graph theorem allows us to assume that. That's why it is a useful theorem. You must show ##y_n \to y## implies ##Ty_n \to Ty ## to deduce continuity but the theorem says you can already assume that ##(Ty_n)_n## converges, which makes life easier.
PeroK said:I've looked up the closed graph theorem. Hopefully, this is correct:
Let ##X, Y## be Banach spaces and ##T## a closed linear operator from ##X## to ##Y##. Then ##T## is bounded, hence continuous.
And, the definition of a closed linear operator is one whose graph is closed. I.e. if ##x_n \rightarrow x## and ##Tx_n \rightarrow y##, then ##Tx = y##.
In this case, we assumed that ##T## was closed hence continuous? If all linear operators on a Hilbert space are closed, then was the adjoint property unnecessary?
Shouldn't the solution to 1) have been to prove that that particular ##T## is closed? Not assume it?
Sorry, I edited that post. Definitely confused!Math_QED said:I think you are misunderstanding. The proof provided showed that ##Graf(T)## was closed. The proof did this as follows:
We must show ##\overline{Graf(T)} = Graf(T)##. So fix ##(y,x) \in \overline{Graf(T)}##. Then there exists a sequence ##(y_n)_n## with ##(y_n, Ty_n) \to (y,x)## and thus by definition of product topology ##y_n \to y, T y_n \to x##.
Here the proof of @nuuskur begins and shows that ##(y,x) = (y,Ty) \in Graf(T)##, showing the desired inclusion.
PeroK said:Sorry, I edited that post. Definitely confused!
See the edited post. Thanks.Math_QED said:Well, let me know if anything is still unclear! The goal is that everybody can learn from the challenges!
PeroK said:I've looked up the closed graph theorem. Hopefully, this is correct:
Let ##X, Y## be Banach spaces and ##T## a closed linear operator from ##X## to ##Y##. Then ##T## is bounded, hence continuous.
PeroK said:And, the definition of a closed linear operator is one whose graph is closed. I.e. if ##x_n \rightarrow x## and ##Tx_n \rightarrow y##, then ##Tx = y##.
PeroK said:And, for Hilbert spaces, if ##x_n \rightarrow x##, then ##Tx_n \rightarrow y##, for some ##y##?
Okay, I think I've got it.Math_QED said:Yes, and the converse holds even without completeness (that is, if ##T## is continuous, the graph is closed).
PeroK said:Okay, I think I've got it.
By the closed graph theorem, if ##T## is closed it is continuous.
@nuuskur proved that ##T## is closed.
The pudding must be in the proof of the closed graph theorem, though!
I see now that's where my efforts at solving this problem were leading. I had a feeling the axiom of choice was at the root of it somewhere.Math_QED said:Well, it takes some work! First you need Baire's category theorem (countable intersections of open dense sets remain dense in complete metric spaces). Then as a corollary of that you prove the open mapping theorem (a continuous surjection between Banach spaces is an open map) and the closed graph theorem then becomes an easy corollary of that one, but it uses some deep results to get there.
PeroK said:I see now that's where my efforts at solving this problem were leading. I had a feeling the axiom of choice was at the root of it somewhere.
A very minor improvement is that the equation above implies immediately that ##v_k## is an eigenvector of ##B## with eigenvalue ##-\lambda_k\, \alpha/\beta~## .PeroK said:[...]
This generates an infinite sequence of distinct eigenvalues, unless for some ##k## we have:
$$v_{k+1} = [B + \frac {\lambda_k \alpha}{\beta}I]v_k = 0$$ In which case, ##v_k## is a common eigenvector of ##A## and ##B + \frac {\lambda_k\, \alpha}{\beta}I##, hence also an eigenvector of ##B##.
Phew. Now I need to make some progress on Samalkhaiat's challenge #001 (since it looks like nobody else is having a go?). But I need to review some relativistic elasticity theory first.Infrared said:[...] I'll count this as a solution [to Q2].
strangerep said:Thank you to @Infrared for posing this question.
the vector ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## must be a multiple of an ##A##-eigenvector
Haorong Wu said:Why ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## must be a multiple of an ##A##-eigenvector?
Thanks, PeroK.PeroK said:It was shown that:
$$A(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle = (a + \beta)(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle$$
And that is the condition for ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## to be an eigenvector of ##A## with eigenvalue ##a + \beta##.
It may be even clearer if we let ##v = (B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle##, then it was shown that:
$$Av = (a + \beta)v$$
And we see that ##v## is indeed an eigenvector of ##A##.
True. It's an eigenvector of ##A##. It's not necessarily an eigenvector of ##B##.Haorong Wu said:Thanks, PeroK.
I can see ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## is an eigenvector of ##A##. But, in order to let ##\left | a \right >## be an eigenvector of ##B##, ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## must equal to ##\lambda \left | a \right >##. Otherwise, ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle =\left | b \right >## where ##\left |b \right > \neq \left |a \right >## would not give something like ##B \left | a \right > = k \left | a \right > ##.
fresh_42 said:Summary:: Normed, Banach and Hilbert spaces, topology, geometry, linear algebra, integration, flux.
Authors: Math_QED (MQ), Infrared (IR), Wrobel (WR), fresh_42 (FR).
Which is the smallest natural number n∈N0 such that there are no integers a,b∈Z with 3a3+b3=n?
Can you either edit this properly, or say in words what you mean. I have difficulties to follow your reasoning.Adesh said:So, we have 3a3=n−b3, that is n−b3≡0mod3. We know
$$
b \equiv 0 \mod 3 \implies -b^3\equiv 0 ~~~~~~~(1) $$
b≡1mod3⟹−b3≡−1 (2)
b≡2mod3⟹b3≡8⟹b3≡2⟹−b3≡−2 (3)
And we know
n≡0mod3 (i)
n≡1mod3 (ii)
$$n\equiv 2 \mod 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~(iii)
$$
So, the condition n−b3≡0mod3 can be fulfilled by any n among (i), (ii) and (iii) (if b is allowed to be any integer). Because of this we have to move for inspection (trial and error method).
For n=0,1,2,3,4,5 we can easily find solutions. My claim is that the equation 3a3+b3=6 doesn't have any integral solutions.
PROOF:
$$
b^3 = 6-3a^3 \
\implies b^3 \equiv 0 \mod 3
$$
@fresh_42 schon seit, b3−0 ist teilbar durch 3, das heißt
$$
\frac{b \times b \times b}{3} = M $$
Deshalb, 3 muss teilen b and hence b=3k (I wrote German only for fun purpose not to offend you sir).
Now, substituting this value of b in our original equation we have :
$$
3a^3 + 27k^3 = 6 $$
9k3=2−a3
⟹2−a3≡0mod9
Let's check if that's possible
a≡0⟹−a3≡0
a≡1⟹−a3≡−1
$$a \equiv 2 \implies a^3 \equiv 8 \implies
a^3 \equiv 2 \implies -a^3 \equiv -2$$
$$a \equiv 3 \implies a^3 \equiv 27 \implies
-a^3 \equiv 0$$
$$ a \equiv 4 \implies a^3 \equiv 64 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -1$$
$$a\equiv 5 \implies a^3 \equiv 125 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -8 $$
$$a \equiv 6 \implies a^3 \equiv 216 \implies
-a^3 \equiv 0$$
$$ a\equiv 7 \implies a^3 \equiv 343 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -1$$
$$a \equiv 8 \implies a^3 \equiv 512 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -8$$
That is to say, we have only three possibilities for cubic residues:
−a3≡0
−a3≡−1
−a3≡−8
And 2≡2mod9. So, only possibilities:
2−a3≡2mod9
2−a3≡1mod9
2−a3≡−6mod9
Which means 2−a3≡0mod9 is not possible, hence there is no integral solution to a3+9k3=6, which in turn means that
$$
3a^3 +b^3 =6$$ have no integral solution.
##{\tiny Maths_} ~{\large QED}
I really don't know what happened in actuality, but I have repaired everything.fresh_42 said:Can you either edit this properly, or say in words what you mean. I have difficulties to follow your reasoning.
See https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
Everything beforeAdesh said:Which part? I write everything in Latex but I really don't know what has happened, I'm surprised.
here. But this isn't needed, so let's go further.Adesh said:So, we have 3a3=n−b3, that is n−b3≡0mod3. We know
$$
b \equiv 0 \mod 3 \implies -b^3\equiv 0 ~~~~~~~(1) $$
b≡1mod3⟹−b3≡−1 (2)
b≡2mod3⟹b3≡8⟹b3≡2⟹−b3≡−2 (3)
And we know
n≡0mod3 (i)
n≡1mod3 (ii)
$$n\equiv 2 \mod 3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~(iii)
$$
So, the condition n−b3≡0mod3 can be fulfilled by any n among (i), (ii) and (iii) (if b is allowed to be any integer). Because of this we have to move for inspection (trial and error method).
For n=0,1,2,3,4,5 we can easily find solutions. My claim is that the equation 3a3+b3=6 doesn't have any integral solutions.
Beside that the LaTeX code is broken, I also don't know what your modules are. You switch between modulo ##3,2,9## so how am I supposed to know which one you mean?PROOF:
$$
b^3 = 6-3a^3 \
\implies b^3 \equiv 0 \mod 3
$$
@fresh_42 schon seit, b3−0 ist teilbar durch 3, das heißt
$$
\frac{b \times b \times b}{3} = M $$
Deshalb, 3 muss teilen b and hence b=3k (I wrote German only for fun purpose not to offend you sir).
Now, substituting this value of b in our original equation we have :
$$
3a^3 + 27k^3 = 6 $$
9k3=2−a3
⟹2−a3≡0mod9
Let's check if that's possible
So you need to write ##a\equiv 0 (9)## and ##a\equiv 1 (9)## if nine is the module you mean. However, ##a\equiv 1 (n)## implies ##a^3\equiv 1 (n)## for all ##n\in \mathbb{N} ##. This equals ##-1## only in case ##n=2##. How should I know that you are considering the remainders of division by two?a≡0⟹−a3≡0
a≡1⟹−a3≡−1
$$a \equiv 2 \implies a^3 \equiv 8 \implies
a^3 \equiv 2 \implies -a^3 \equiv -2$$
$$a \equiv 3 \implies a^3 \equiv 27 \implies
-a^3 \equiv 0$$
$$ a \equiv 4 \implies a^3 \equiv 64 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -1$$
$$a\equiv 5 \implies a^3 \equiv 125 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -8 $$
$$a \equiv 6 \implies a^3 \equiv 216 \implies
-a^3 \equiv 0$$
$$ a\equiv 7 \implies a^3 \equiv 343 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -1$$
$$a \equiv 8 \implies a^3 \equiv 512 \implies
-a^3 \equiv -8$$
That is to say, we have only three possibilities for cubic residues:
−a3≡0
−a3≡−1
−a3≡−8
And 2≡2mod9. So, only possibilities:
2−a3≡2mod9
2−a3≡1mod9
2−a3≡−6mod9
Which means 2−a3≡0mod9 is not possible, hence there is no integral solution to a3+9k3=6, which in turn means that
$$
3a^3 +b^3 =6$$ have no integral solution.
##{\tiny Maths_} ~{\large QED}
(Please tell me why when I quote some post the latex code doesn't get quoted rather the mathematical symbols get copied).fresh_42 said:So you need to write a≡0(9) and a≡1(9) if nine is the module you mean. However, a≡1(n) implies a3≡1(n) for all n∈N. This equals −1 only in case n=2. How should I know that you are considering the remainders of division by two?
This is a bug when you use "quote".Adesh said:(Please tell me why when I quote some post the latex code doesn't get quoted rather the mathematical symbols get copied).
Sorry, I've overseen the minus sign. But this doesn't change the fact that you need to note the module with every ##\equiv## sign.Well, for getting the minus sign I'm using this fact
$$a \equiv b \mod n $$
$$-1 \equiv -1 \mod n$$
Now, multiplying corresponding sides of congruences (multiplication preserves the congruency), so we have
$$
-a \equiv - b \mod n
$$
I have made corresponding repairs in my solution, sorry for disturbance caused.fresh_42 said:This is a bug when you use "quote".
Sorry, I've overseen the minus sign. But this doesn't change the fact that you need to note the module with every ##\equiv## sign.
If ##a^3\equiv 8 (9)## then ##a^3 \not\equiv 2 (9)##.Adesh said:Let's check if that's possible (in every congruence that follows have modulus 9)
$$a\equiv 0⟹−a^3\equiv 0$$
$$a\equiv 1⟹−a^3\equiv −1$$
$$a \equiv 2 \implies a^3 \equiv 8
\implies a^3 \equiv 2 \implies -a^3 \equiv -2$$
I'm editing my post every time you're pointing out an error, is that okay or should I consider reposting?fresh_42 said:If ##a^3\equiv 8 (9)## then ##a^3 \not\equiv 2 (9)##.
Hint: From ##2=a^3+9k^3## continue by considering the equation modulo ##3##. This is shorter and easier.
Repost it. That's better.Adesh said:I'm editing my post every time you're pointing out an error, is that okay or should I consider reposting?
I will surely solve it my your hint also.
I get ##a^3 = 3m +2##.fresh_42 said:Now go ahead and examine how a must look like so that is possible.
Yes, but which ##a## have this shape? ##a## cannot be divisible by three, can it have the remainder ##1## by division by ##3##?Adesh said:I get ##a^3 = 3m +2##.
$$a^3 \equiv 2 \mod 3$$fresh_42 said:Yes, but which ##a## have this shape? ##a## cannot be divisible by three, can it have the remainder ##1## by division by ##3##?