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Oh yeah! I didn’t take that into account, thanks.Infrared said:Why not ##a=b=0##?
Oh yeah! I didn’t take that into account, thanks.Infrared said:Why not ##a=b=0##?
fresh_42 said:2. Let ##A## and ##B## be complex ##n\times n## matrices such that ##AB-BA## is a linear combination of ##A## and ##B##. Show that ##A## and ##B## must have a common eigenvector. (IR)
nuuskur said:By linearity of [itex]T[/itex], it suffices to show [itex]T[/itex] is continuous at [itex]0[/itex]. Take [itex](x_n) \subseteq H_1[/itex] such that [itex]x_n \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{}0\in H_1[/itex]. Let [itex]z\in H_1[/itex], then
[tex]
\langle z,Tx_n \rangle = \langle Sz, x_n \rangle \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{}0 \in \mathbb K.
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As [itex]z[/itex] is arbitrary it implies [itex]Tx_n\xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{}0 \in H_2[/itex].
Adesh said:The answer to question number 13 is ##{\Large 6}##. But right now I don’t have an analytic proof (actually margins of my paper are too small to contain the proof ) . Will a graphical proof be counted? I can proof that there exist no integral solution to $$3a^3 +b^3 =6$$ by means of graph.
I will probably ask: why does that follow?Math_QED said:... from which it follows that ##b## must he a multiple of ##3##.
Actually, I don’t know Modular Arithemtic and I need to study it. I will do it and come with a proof.Math_QED said:You can try to prove it using modular arithmetic. To get you started, modulo ##3## your equation becomes ##b^3=0## from which it follows that ##b## must he a multiple of ##3##.
fresh_42 said:I will probably ask: why does that follow?
That's a quirk of mine. I fight for the correct definition which is the reason here like Don Quichote fought his windmill.
I wasn't criticizing you at all. Au contraire! I liked your hint. I wanted @Adesh to read my answer and think about it ... and maybe learn the difference between prime and irreducible.Math_QED said:##b^3 = 0 \implies b = 0## since ##\mathbb{Z}/3\mathbb{Z}## has no zero divisors (##3## is prime), but I was just giving a hint :)s
fresh_42 said:I wasn't criticizing you at all. I wanted @Adesh to read my answer and think about it ... and maybe learn the difference between prime and irreducible.
nuuskur said:Oh dear, I made a mistake. I will revise, @Math_QED (small world :) ). The implication in question is false. I think I was thinking about finite dimensions at the time I was writing the response :/
nuuskur said:Ok, if I understand the closed graph theorem correctly, we get ..
I think I see why the closed graph theorem is so useful here. We can assume without loss that the [itex]Ty_n[/itex] converge.It's equivalent to show the graph of [itex]T[/itex] is closed. Take [itex](y_n,Ty_n)\in \mathrm{gr}T,\ n\in\mathbb N,[/itex] such that
[tex]
y_n\xrightarrow [n\to\infty]{H_1} y,\quad Ty_n \xrightarrow [n\to\infty]{H_2} x.
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By linearity of [itex]T[/itex] we have
[tex]
\|Ty-Ty_n\|^2 = \langle Ty - Ty_n, Ty-Ty_n \rangle = \langle ST(y-y_n), y-y_n \rangle \xrightarrow [n\to\infty]{} 0.
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Thus [itex]Ty_n \to Ty[/itex] i.e [itex]Ty = x[/itex].
I think I made a similar mistake :/ my thoughts wereMath_QED said:$$\langle ST(y-y_n), y-y_n \rangle \xrightarrow [n\to\infty]{} 0$$
Why is this?
nuuskur said:I think I made a similar mistake :/ my thoughts were
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\langle STz_n, z_n \rangle \leq \|ST\| \|z_n\|^2 \xrightarrow [n\to\infty]{}0,
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but that would make sense if [itex]ST[/itex] was continuous and it needn't be :(
strangerep said:Therefore, ##(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle## is an eigenvector of ##A## with eigenvalue ##(a+\beta)##.
strangerep said:A more general solution would require a condition on the intersection of the nullspaces of ##A## and ##B##, among other things (IIUC). As an illustration of what can go wrong in the simpler case of ##AB=BA##, consider $$A = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & 1 \\ 0 & 0 \end{pmatrix} ~~~\mbox{and}~~ B = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} ~,$$ for which ##\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix}## is an eigenvector of ##B\;## but not ##A## (since that vector lies in the nullspace of ##A##).
I get: $$\begin{array}{l}Infrared said:I'm having a little bit of trouble following this: If I apply ##A##, I get:
##A(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle=AB|a\rangle+\frac{a\alpha}{\beta}A|a\rangle=AB|a\rangle+\frac{a^2\alpha}{\beta}|a\rangle,##
which I don't see how to simplify to ##(a+\beta)|a\rangle.## You can substitute ##AB=BA+\alpha A+\beta B##, but it doesn't look like your terms cancel.
I appreciate and share that feeling.nuuskur said:I can't live with myself if I don't solve this problem. This is becoming personal.
By theorem of closed graph, assume
[tex]
y_n \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{H_1}y\qquad Ty_n \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{H_2}x.
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Was it really this simple all along ?!
[tex]
\begin{align*}
\|x-Ty\|^2 = \langle x-Ty,x-Ty \rangle &= \langle x-Ty, x \rangle - \langle x-Ty, Ty \rangle \\
&= \lim\langle x-Ty, Ty_n \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \lim \langle S(x-Ty), y_n \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \langle S(x-Ty), y \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle = 0.
\end{align*}
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Thus [itex]Ty=x[/itex] and [itex]T[/itex] is continuous.
nuuskur said:I can't live with myself if I don't solve this problem. This is becoming personal.
By theorem of closed graph, assume
[tex]
y_n \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{H_1}y\qquad Ty_n \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{H_2}x.
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Was it really this simple all along ?!
[tex]
\begin{align*}
\|x-Ty\|^2 = \langle x-Ty,x-Ty \rangle &= \langle x-Ty, x \rangle - \langle x-Ty, Ty \rangle \\
&= \lim\langle x-Ty, Ty_n \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \lim \langle S(x-Ty), y_n \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \langle S(x-Ty), y \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle \\
&= \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle - \langle x-Ty,Ty \rangle = 0.
\end{align*}
[/tex]
Thus [itex]Ty=x[/itex] and [itex]T[/itex] is continuous.
nuuskur said:Since [itex]f[/itex] is unbounded, pick [itex]x_n\in X [/itex] such that [itex]|f(x_n)|\geq n\|x_n\|,n\in\mathbb N[/itex]. Without loss of generality, assume [itex]\|x_n\| \equiv 1[/itex] so we have [itex]|f(x_n)| \geq n[/itex]. Fix [itex]x\in X[/itex]. Define
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y_n := x - \frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)}x_n, n\in\mathbb N.
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One readily verifies the [itex]y_n\in\mathrm{Ker}f[/itex]. We also see that [itex]\|y_n-x\| = \left\lvert\frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)} \right\rvert \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{}0[/itex]. Thus [itex]y_n\to x[/itex] and [itex]x\in\overline{\mathrm{Ker} f}[/itex].
By linearity of [itex]f[/itex]Math_QED said:Why is ##y_n \in \ker f##?
nuuskur said:By linearity of [itex]f[/itex]
[tex]
f\left ( x - \frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)}x_n \right ) = f(x) - f \left ( \frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)}x_n \right ) = f(x) - f(x) = 0.
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strangerep said:I get: $$\begin{array}{l}
A(B+ a\alpha/\beta) |a\rangle - (a+\beta)(B+ a\alpha/\beta)|a\rangle \\~~
~=~ (BA + \alpha A + \beta B)|a\rangle + a^2 \alpha/\beta |a\rangle ~-~ (a+\beta)(B+ a\alpha/\beta)|a\rangle \\~~
~=~ (aB + a \alpha + \beta B)|a\rangle + a^2 \alpha/\beta |a\rangle ~-~ (a+\beta)(B+ a\alpha/\beta)|a\rangle\\~~
~=~ a \alpha |a\rangle + a^2 \alpha/\beta |a\rangle ~-~ (a+\beta) a\alpha/\beta|a\rangle\\
~~ ~=~ 0 ~.
\end{array}
$$
Math_QED said:Well done!
This is what the closed graph theorem tells us. We can assume without loss of generality that the sequence of images also converges.PeroK said:How do we know that the limit ##x = \lim Ty_n## exists?
PeroK said:How do we know that the limit ##x = \lim Ty_n## exists?
nuuskur said:Since [itex]f[/itex] is unbounded, pick [itex]x_n\in X [/itex] such that [itex]|f(x_n)|\geq n\|x_n\|,n\in\mathbb N[/itex]. Without loss of generality, assume [itex]\|x_n\| \equiv 1[/itex] so we have [itex]|f(x_n)| \geq n[/itex]. Fix [itex]x\in X[/itex]. Define
[tex]
y_n := x - \frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)}x_n, n\in\mathbb N.
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One readily verifies the [itex]y_n\in\mathrm{Ker}f[/itex]. We also see that [itex]\|y_n-x\| = \left\lvert\frac{f(x)}{f(x_n)} \right\rvert \xrightarrow[n\to\infty]{}0[/itex]. Thus [itex]y_n\to x[/itex] and [itex]x\in\overline{\mathrm{Ker} f}[/itex].We know [itex]f[/itex] must be non-zero, thus its image is [itex]\mathbb K[/itex] i.e [itex]\dim\mathrm{Im} f = 1[/itex]. We also know the kernel is closed if and only if [itex]f[/itex] is continuous, thus [itex]\mathrm{Ker}f \neq \overline{\mathrm{Ker}f}[/itex]. Since [itex]X = \mathrm{Ker} f \oplus \mathrm{Im}f[/itex] we see
[tex]
\dim X - \dim \overline{\mathrm{Ker}f} < \dim X - \dim \mathrm{Ker}f = 1.
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So it must be that [itex]X = \overline{\mathrm{Ker}f}[/itex].
nuuskur said:This is what the closed graph theorem tells us. We can assume without loss of generality that the sequence of images also converges.
Math_QED said:The closed graph theorem allows us to assume that. That's why it is a useful theorem. You must show ##y_n \to y## implies ##Ty_n \to Ty ## to deduce continuity but the theorem says you can already assume that ##(Ty_n)_n## converges, which makes life easier.
Yes. If the domain and codomain are complete spaces, then the proposition holds. In problem 1, it is applicable.PeroK said:For any linear operator?