What Exactly Is Happening In the Arab/Persian World?

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In summary, the protests in Egypt are continuing and there are reports of violence and fires. The situation is not looking good for the government.
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so far, they seem less scary than the greek protesters to me.
 
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  • #39


Proton Soup said:
so far, they seem less scary than the greek protesters to me.

I'm not sure that's saying much... those Greeks were not a LITTLE angry. Still, you didn't see the kind of fundamental instability as a result, you know?

Mathnomolous: That, isn't good.

Proton post 2: Too true... he's a dictator, but I'm not filled with hope that if he's removed, the replacement will be better, although I have more hope for Egypt than Tunisia or... Lebanon... which is REALLY... wow.

edit: Another supporting link for your point Proton. Man, the USA has put up a lot of dictators!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/28/egypt.wikileaks.cables/index.html?hpt=T1
 
  • #40
... it has started ... total communication lockdown ...

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... young man killed yesterday ... currently large movement of riot police forces ...
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ElBaradei warns against Mubarak

The political dissident, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate and former Director General of the IAEA, Mohamed ElBaradei is now taking an increasingly central position for today's critical of the regime demonstrations in Egypt.
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ElBaradei stopped by police

The protests are growing in Egypt. Opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei reported to have been prevented by police from leaving the place where he was.

... geez ...
 
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  • #42


nismaratwork said:
re bold: NOT good.

Mamma Mia... time to start hope for 'miracles'...

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  • #43


http://twitter.com/bencnn"

"Nobel laureate arrested. And day still young."


*** smoke clouds in Cairo ***

:eek: :eek: :eek:


EDIT:

"Egypt's plainclothed policemen specialize in all types of violence against civilians, media. Some appeared to be on drugs."

! WTF !
 
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  • #44


Ben Wedemen described this as, "The battle of Cairo"... given what I'm seeing of burning APCs, tearsgas and killings... yeah, I buy that.

As troubling, it seems unrest has spread to Jordan, and is firing up in Algeria. How ironic... this "uprising" against these secular governments is just what "the terrorists" actually STATED that they wanted among other crazed things. This is not Africa or the Middle East's proudest moment, nor is it the proudest moment to see what was done in Iran being done in Egypt... but with pitiful outcry.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/01/28/egypt.protests/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 (has video)
 
  • #45


DevilsAvocado said:
http://twitter.com/bencnn"

"Nobel laureate arrested. And day still young."*** smoke clouds in Cairo ***

:eek: :eek: :eek:EDIT:

"Egypt's plainclothed policemen specialize in all types of violence against civilians, media. Some appeared to be on drugs."

! WTF !

It's usual mid-east tactics: have riot police contain groups, then plain-clothed officers (or militia in some countries) beat the crap out of you, or kill you.

edit: I'd add, someone who's "amped" on adrenaline from this kind of activity, mixed with exposure to teargas (which apparently is blanketing most of Cairo city proper) would make it appear that people are high on marijuana, or amphetamines. It's possible, but honestly, why bother... and in a country where they do NOT play if you are caught with drugs.
 
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  • #46


nismaratwork said:
Ben Wedemen described this as, "The battle of Cairo"... given what I'm seeing of burning APCs, tearsgas and killings... yeah, I buy that.

Yes:
Twitter @bencnn
http://twitter.com/bencnn

Massive cloud of tear gas at Zamalek end of 6 October Bridge..into the Nile. Protesters continue to chant "Down Down Mubarak. #Jan25 #Egypt
14 minutes ago via web

Egypt TV: Police have established complete control in all areas...over pictures of tear gas, burning car, protesters. #Jan25 #Egypt
15 minutes ago via web

Madness in central Cairo. Tear gas everywhere police truck drives on 6 October Bridge randomly firing tear gas at point blank range #Jan25
17 minutes ago via web
nismaratwork said:
How ironic... this "uprising" against these secular governments is just what "the terrorists" actually STATED that they wanted among other crazed things.

Yes, but "secular governments" is only our view on the state, many (most?) over there perceive this as "totalitarian dictatorship"... this "bomb" was set to go of sooner or later...

nismaratwork said:
It's usual mid-east tactics: have riot police contain groups, then plain-clothed officers (or militia in some countries) beat the crap out of you, or kill you.

... it must be the "smartest" (not) thing you could do if you want to "calm things down" ...


*** Latest from Ben: THE ARMY is now involved! NO restriction on violence. TURMOIL! ***
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
*** Latest from Ben: THE ARMY is now involved! NO restriction on violence. TURMOIL! ***

Oh no, that's terrible...Tiananmen Square in Cairo :frown:...
 
  • #48


lisab said:
Oh no, that's terrible...Tiananmen Square in Cairo :frown:...

... yes ... and it feels like I’m going to ... :cry:


CNN: It’s now confirmed the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize Laureate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_ElBaradei" IS put in house arrest. This is NOT going to end well... :frown:
 
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  • #49


Ben Wedemen has a live shot on CNN as of the time of this posting.

This is the first since 1985, and that was to stop the police. I'm not sure what this means...
 
  • #50


Holy crap... I just watched the crowd bomb that APC! I'd say we're already well past Tiananmen Square, and Egypt... I can't believe their army would do this. Iran, Saudi Arabia, but not Egypt.

I wonder what role Islamic extremists are playing in this, and what is a cry for freedom? I guess we wait and see.
 
  • #51


APC?

EDIT:
Sorry, get it Armored Personnel Carrier... :redface:
 
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CNN: President Mubarak is going to hold a speech in 10 min.
 
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Armored Personnel Carrier

And... Mubarak has confirmed that he has given control of security over to the army. That is far worse than mere military involvement... I suspect he's going to give the usual line of carp.
 
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nismaratwork said:
And... Mubarak has confirmed that he has given control of security over to the army. That is far worse than mere military involvement... I suspect he's going to give the usual line of carp.

Crap is the word. I think the old air chief marshal has had the army in his inner pocket, to control 'everything', for the last 30 years...
 
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OK... The ruling party headquarters is on fire, Mubarak's family is in London......No matter what happens at the end of the day, Egypt is going to hear the sucking sound of investors leaving their economy for years...
 
  • #56


BBC: Sigh, Tony B:liar is 'talking good' on President Mubarak...
 
  • #57


nismaratwork said:
OK... The ruling party headquarters is on fire, Mubarak's family is in London...

Holly smoke
 
  • #58


... where is Mubarak speech ... ??
 
  • #59


DevilsAvocado said:
... where is Mubarak speech ... ??

I don't know that he CAN give one as scheduled with his main building ablaze. I suspect we'll see some secure statement, or... and this strikes me as wise, but unlikely... he could be using the army and confusion to cover his retreat to the UK.
 
  • #60


Rueters said:
People are climbing on tanks.

The curfew hasn't done anything according to Ben Wedemen.
 
  • #61


The army isn't fighting the protesters, and the protesters aren't fighting the army! The protesters are advancing... I'm done posting for a bit... this is the world changing and I'd like to watch live.
 
  • #62


nismaratwork said:
...No matter what happens at the end of the day, Egypt is going to hear the sucking sound of investors leaving their economy for years...

This comment is hilarious! :smile:

But wait! Let me expand it!

"No matter what happens at the end of 4 of July 1776, the US is going to hear the sucking sound of British investors leaving their economy for years..."

Hypothesis: Egyptians are capable of (re)building their own country.
 
  • #63


nismaratwork said:
I don't know that he CAN give one as scheduled with his main building ablaze.

Okay, but maybe they have a camera in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Presidential_Palace" ...?? :bugeye: (:wink:)

But sure, as you say – we don’t know sh*t what is really going on at 'that level'... maybe it’s a 'smokescreen' for "fight or flight"...
 
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  • #64


nismaratwork said:
The army isn't fighting the protesters,

THAT IS REAL FKN GOOD NEWS! YES!

CNN: Hillary Clinton speaking...

MUBARAK IS SMOKED HE HAS NO SUPPORT FROM THE USA!
 
  • #65


...And now, from the SAME position on CNN, the SAME GROUP... was just subjected to gunfire. The crowd ran from the site, then ran back to help what seemed like one or two wounded, and then to attack. It's unclear if those were gunshots (they sounded like them to me, and they sounded like assault rifles on burst).

Then... a car, a jeep I think, blasted through some people blazing sparks and out of the frame. Ben Wedemen is saying that now the police are being attacked, and the police headquarters.
 
  • #66


... this is crazy now there is real gunfire, live rounds, on the street ... :frown:

EDIT:
yup :frown: :frown: :frown:
 
  • #67


I have a ton of things to do today...but I just want to sit and watch this, it's like real-time history.
 
  • #68


DevilsAvocado said:
... this is crazy now there is real gunfire, live rounds, on the street ... :frown:

EDIT:
yup :frown: :frown: :frown:

Another report of a Government building set on fire. Why doesn't Mubarak hold a news conference - put a message out - try to calm the fears?
 
  • #69


lisab said:
I have a ton of things to do today...but I just want to sit and watch this, it's like real-time history.

lisab, this is HISTORY! Take the day off... :wink:
 
  • #70


WhoWee said:
Another report of a Government building set on fire. Why doesn't Mubarak hold a news conference - put a message out - try to calm the fears?

See post #63.
 

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