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[commodorekitty]

People from the Philippines are Filipino, not Philipino, and I find that conphusing.

Well, that's because before the Americans came, the country was Las Islas Filipinas, and so its people were called Filipinos. :)

 

[WWGD]

Wonder if any patient has ever gone into the I-C-U and come out of the U-C-Me .

 

[WWGD]

Well, that's because before the Americans came, the country was Las Islas Filipinas, and so its people were called Filipinos. :)

And no one's bothered because there are no " Hollandese" ( Or Hollandose ;) ). I know Holland is just a province, but many use the name Holland for the Low Countries ( or whatever the official name is). But there aren't any Netherlandese/dose either.

Sometimes when you are listening to music and you see people , it seems people are part of a video for the song you're listening to. Weird how the brain puts things together.

 

[fresh_42]

And no one's bothered because there are no " Hollandese" ( Or Hollandose ;) ).

But there is a Hollandaise.

 

[WWGD]

But there is a Hollandaise.

A saucy answer at that.

 

[WWGD]

But there is a Hollandaise.

Hollandaise is the tensor contraction of Hollandese and Netherlandese, tho I don't know which is covariant and which is contravariant.

 

[fresh_42]

Hollandaise is the tensor contraction of Hollandese and Netherlandese, tho I don't know which is covariant and which is contravariant.

This depends on which way you want to look at it. If you consider Holland $\twoheadleftarrow$ Netherlands as projective resolution of the entire Netherlands (reduction to Holland), then you get a covariant functor for the homological resolution and a contravariant functor for the cohomological resolution. Unfortunately it's the other way around, if you consider Holland $\rightarrowtail$ Netherlands as injective resolution (part of) of the entire Netherlands.

And now, excuse me, I have to go and pray I didn't confuse any co's and contra's here ...

 

[jim hardy]

This depends on which way you want to look at it. If you consider Holland ↞\twoheadleftarrow Netherlands as projective resolution of the entire Netherlands (reduction to Holland), then you get a covariant functor for the homological resolution and a contravariant functor for the cohomological resolution. Unfortunately it's the other way around, if you consider Holland ↣\rightarrowtail Netherlands as injective resolution (part of) of the entire Netherlands.

Wow sounds like a paragraph out of a 1970's political science textbook.

Got me wondering "What's a Nether?"

Origin and Etymology of nether
Middle English, from Old English nithera, from nither down; akin to Old High German nidar down,

as in Low Lying Lands , perhaps ?
Dutch are certainly good at "draining the swamp".

 

[WWGD]

Wow sounds like a paragraph out of a 1970's political science textbook.Dutch are certainly good at "draining the swamp".

Sorry, Jim, I can't understand the slang you young hep cats use today.

 

[jim hardy]

Sorry, Jim, I can't understand the slang you young hep cats use today.

It was a dreadful pun. Sorry.

 

[WWGD]

It was a dreadful pun. Sorry.

My bread and butter...

 

[fresh_42]

Got me wondering "What's a Nether?" as in Low Lying Lands , perhaps ?

Yes, neder (Dutch) = nieder (German) = nidar (comparative, old high German) as in Niederlande (Netherlands) and Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) and many common names of settlements. At those places has been more water which made them attractive for agriculture. It is still present in English as in be-neath and under-neath.

Lands doesn't need an explanantion.

 

[Borek]

Roman Witold Ingarden (/ˈroʊmən inˈɡɑːrdən/; February 5, 1893 – June 14, 1970) was a Polish philosopher who worked in phenomenology, ontology and aesthetics.

(Roman is quite a common first name in Poland, Ingarden is not)

 

[OmCheeto]

... = nidar (comparative, old high German) as in Niederlande (Netherlands) and Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) and many common names of settlements.
...

I think it's kind of weird, that "nadir" and "nidar" mean almost the same thing, and have supposedly independent origins.

nieder

from Old High German nidar "down"

from Proto-Germanic niþer

From Proto-Indo-European niter.
Compare Sanskrit nitarām, “down, downwards”​

nadir, "lowest point, opposite of zenith"

From Medieval Latin nadir

from Arabic (naẓīr as-samt), composed of (naẓīr, “counterpart, corresponding to”) and (as-samt, “the zenith”)​

ref[wiktionary]​

It's almost as if some travelers learned a new word while traveling through a foreign land, and then couldn't remember the exact pronunciation.

Traveler #1; "What did that guy say the word for 'down' was?"
Traveler #2; "Nadir, nidar. I can't remember. Pick one."
Traveler #1; "Ok. hmmmm... Should we tell anyone where we learned it?"
Traveler #2; "Of course not!"​

ps. My mom was born in Niederschlesien.

ref[mom]

 

[fresh_42]

It's almost as if some travelers learned a new word while traveling through a foreign land, and then couldn't remember the exact pronunciation.

Yes, but if you know how nidar is pronounced (with "ee" and not "i"), then the coupling to beneath will answer the ambiguity. Almost identical. (O.k. you also would have to have learned that the "th" was often a former "d","t"or "s": that = das, thanks = danke, think = denken, and so on.)

 

[Borek]

I think it's kind of weird, that "nadir" and "nidar" mean almost the same thing, and have supposedly independent origins.

Why independent? It can be of an Indo-European origin and as such be common to most European languages. Many such words.

 

[OmCheeto]

Yes, but if you know how nidar is pronounced (with "ee" and not "i"), then the coupling to beneath will answer the ambiguity. Almost identical. (O.k. you also would have to have learned that the "th" was often a former "d","t"or "s": that = das, thanks = danke, think = denken, and so on.)

Perhaps my confusion is based on the fact that I've been pronouncing "nadir" incorrectly for about 40 years.
I thought it was "Naw-dear", but according to my googlings it's "Knee-der".

This is what you get by learning things from books.

 

[fresh_42]

Perhaps my confusion is based on the fact that I've been pronouncing "nadir" incorrectly for about 40 years.
I thought it was "Naw-dear", but according to my googlings it's "Knee-der".

This is what you get by learning things from books.

Nieder = nidar is "knee-der", not nadir (from arabic nazir) which is (incorrectly) pronounced "neighdeer" and would correctly be pronounced with the "a" as the "u" in nut, "n-u-dir" so to say, but not as in "nuke"!

 

[OmCheeto]

Nieder = nidar is "knee-der", not nadir (from arabic nazir) which is (incorrectly) pronounced "neighdeer" and would correctly be pronounced with the "a" as the "u" in nut, "n-u-dir" so to say, but not as in "nuke"!

Oh dear. I hope we don't go "zer" again.

Und der vas ein great schpitzen und fightens um fiziks phorums one tag... ​

 

[Borek]

This is what you get by learning things from books.

This is what you get by using a language with an inconsistent spelling.

 

[fresh_42]

This is what you get by using a language with an inconsistent spelling.

My favorite example is from George Bernard Shaw:
ghot=fish: "gh" as in laugh, "o" as in women and "t" as in nation: fish.

 

[OmCheeto]

This is what you get by using a language with an inconsistent spelling.

I blame it on all these stinkin' immigrants.
Where on Earth did we all come from?

 

[WWGD]

Finnish women give the best Lapp dances...

 

[fresh_42]

Finnish women give the best Lapp dances...

Reminds me of a "Hägar the Horrible" strip:

Hägar: Bulgarian women are the best. And they can cook <sigh>
Lucky Eddie: Yes, but you don't understand them.
Hägar: Yes, that adds up to it.

<run, duck and cover ...>

 

[Borg]

It's kind of rude to cut through someone else's work area. It's extra rude to do that while wearing tons of perfume.

 

[dkotschessaa]

Where on Earth

::bleep bloop gzzrd plkkkk::

That means "speak for yourself, buddy!"

 

[WWGD]

This security guy sees me every day and acknowledges me with a 'hi' , yet every single day asks me for my ID, the same ID he has seen almost daily for years. Covering his ..tracks? I mean, he may ask me for my ID twice the same day when I go out and come back.

 

[fresh_42]

This security guy sees me every day and acknowledges me with a 'hi' , yet every single day asks me for my ID, the same ID he has seen almost daily for years. Covering his ..tracks? I mean, he may ask me for my ID twice the same day when I go out and come back.

I've once been told, that this typical American behavior is a direct consequence of suing everybody on everything all the time and if something un- or even foreseeable happened, in order to be able to claim to have strictly followed the rules and protocols just in case one has to in front of a court. The US is the only country in the world, in which I had to think it through before I would help someone hurt in an accident or by a crime. I probably won't because I can't be sure of the consequences. Strange, but this is the image you produce in the rest of the world (IMO).

 

[OmCheeto]

::bleep bloop gzzrd plkkkk::

That means "speak for yourself, buddy!"

Well, actually, according to my genealogical research, I'm 1/32 Dutch, 7/32 English, 5/8 German, and 1/8 Ukrainian*

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*The Ukrainian part is based on a recent Russian acquaintances observation to her husband one day, that I looked Ukrainian, even though my ancestors claimed to be of "German" blood, and only living in Ukraine.

Yah right, great grandmama. The only thing you got from that cute Ukrainian milkman, was a bottle of milk.

 

[WWGD]

I've once been told, that this typical American behavior is a direct consequence of suing everybody on everything all the time and if something un- or even foreseeable happened, in order to be able to claim to have strictly followed the rules and protocols just in case one has to in front of a court. The US is the only country in the world, in which I had to think it through before I would help someone hurt in an accident or by a crime. I probably won't because I can't be sure of the consequences. Strange, but this is the image you produce in the rest of the world (IMO).

Could be that, could also be fear of losing a job at the blue-collar level and lose health insurance when there is no national healthcare.

 

[OmCheeto]

I've once been told, that this typical American behavior is a direct consequence of suing everybody on everything all the time and if something un- or even foreseeable happened, in order to be able to claim to have strictly followed the rules and protocols just in case one has to in front of a court. The US is the only country in the world, in which I had to think it through before I would help someone hurt in an accident or by a crime. I probably won't because I can't be sure of the consequences. Strange, but this is the image you produce in the rest of the world (IMO).

That is a hilarious observation, as I was just telling my siblings a story 3 days ago, about something very similar.

 

[WWGD]

Could be that, could also be fear of losing a job at the blue-collar level and lose health insurance when there is no national healthcare.

After your reply, I thought about it and remembered that other security guards do not do the same as this guy, i.e., they do let me in. So I don't know what to conclude.

 

[WWGD]

There is this weird dude that begs in the street wearing a suit. He asks for $3-5 , upsacale from the standard $.25 to $1. He is sure better dressed than I am. Before he asked for money I though he would ask me for Grey Pupon.

 

[fresh_42]

What I find weird is the usage of the word connection. We, of course, use the same word, but in its translated form. The correct word would probably be connessione. Many English words have found their way into common language here. It's a plague. At some point in the second half of last century it became stylish to say stylish, possibly enhanced by advertisement agencies. Now the weird part is, that the English word connection is used for dubious relations among certain groups of people, not necessarily legal ones. So each time I use this word, it's a bit strange. Maybe I should try to establish connessione instead. But Mafia structures on the other hand ...

 

[dkotschessaa]

What I find weird is the usage of the word connection. We, of course, use the same word, but in its translated form. The correct word would probably be connessione. Many English words have found their way into common language here. It's a plague. At some point in the second half of last century it became stylish to say stylish, possibly enhanced by advertisement agencies.

So now on the language tree we have to draw a line back from English into German. It's going to get messy.