Navigating the Tensions in Ukraine: A Scientific Perspective

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In summary, the Munich Agreement was an agreement between the Soviet Union and the United Kingdom that divided Czechoslovakia into the Soviet Union and the United States.
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Russian Police Investigate the Crime of Writing "No to War" in the Snow

 
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Keith_McClary said:
Most of those "Russian vodkas" were not actually from Russia. The distillers are working on less misleading labels.
Ukrainian vodkas?
 
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Astronuc said:
Partners in crime.

From 2014.

China and Russia signed a $400-billion gas supply deal on Wednesday, securing the world’s top energy user a major source of cleaner fuel and opening up a new market for Moscow as it risks losing European customers over the Ukraine crisis.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...gn-400-billion-gas-deal-idUSBREA4K07K20140521

And from last month.

Russia has agreed a 30-year contract to supply gas to China via a new pipeline and will settle the new gas sales in euros, bolstering an energy alliance with Beijing amid Moscow's strained ties with the West over Ukraine and other issues.

Gazprom , which has a monopoly on Russian gas exports by pipeline, agreed to supply Chinese state energy major CNPC with 10 billion cubic metres of gas a year, the Russian firm and a Beijing-based industry official said.

First flows through the pipeline, which will connect Russia's Far East region with northeast China, were due to start in two to three years, the source said in comments that were later followed by an announcement of the deal by Gazprom.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...as-deal-using-new-pipeline-source-2022-02-04/
 
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The conflict may extend to space.

 
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New Zealand is on a list of countries considered "unfriendly" by Russia. Nonetheless, Putin is one individual named as being banned from entering NZ.
 
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StevieTNZ said:
New Zealand is on a list of countries considered "unfriendly" by Russia.
Well, you are not allowing their airlines to use your airspace.
 
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Keith_McClary said:
Well, you are not allowing their airlines to use your airspace.
Which we have every right to impose.
 
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StevieTNZ said:
New Zealand is on a list of countries considered "unfriendly" by Russia.
Welcome to the club. All EU member countries are on that list now, along with others.

Business Insider said:
The list includes "Australia, UK, EU countries, Iceland, Canada, Liechtenstein, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, Korea, San Marino, Singapore, USA, Taiwan, Ukraine, Montenegro, Switzerland, Japan," according to a tweet from Russian outlet Ria translated by CNN analyst Brianna Golodryga.
Source: Russia reacts to global condemnation of its Ukraine war as its currency collapses by publishing list of 'unfriendly countries' (Business Insider)
 
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wrobel said:
A couple days ago there was a survey in MIPT "Do you support the war". About 90% said "no"
Doesn't that mean those 90% will soon be imprisoned? :oldfrown:
wrobel said:
Since that I have been thinking what must these "10%" have in their heads? I do not know.
A sense of self-preservation perhaps?
 
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Jarvis323 said:
The conflict may extend to space.
Ars Technica also ran some articles on this:
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...al-space-station-and-prevent-the-dreaded-gap/
https://arstechnica.com/science/202...t-chief-urges-us-russia-cooperation-in-space/

I guess it will be increasingly difficult to find any area of "world affairs" not being affected by this surreal and shocking departure from structure, particularly so in areas where the (official) Russia already in recent times have demonstrated they don't like to play by common rules. In that context I must admit worrying about the impact on space missions is currently pretty far down on my personal worry list.
 
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In case you want to know what Гаага means. It is Russian for The Hague!
 
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fresh_42 said:
they fight for Russians, too!
exactly!
 
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Ukraine is the democracy which Russia should have become! Perhaps that is what Mr Putin and pals are most worried about and determined to stamp out at all costs.
 
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We are for Taiwan's right to secede, but against Donbas' right to secede.
 
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Who is"we"? And by what mechanism do you speak for the people of Donbas?
 
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hutchphd said:
Who is"we"? And by what mechanism do you speak for the people of Donbas?
"We" meaning the West. Ukraine is opposed to secession. They don't care what the people think, same as in Crimea.
 
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Keith_McClary said:
We are for Taiwan's right to secede, but against Donbas' right to secede.

What even is your definition of secede here.
 
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Office_Shredder said:
What even is your definition of secede here.
For Taiwan, to end the One China.
The "One-China policy" is the position held by the People's Republic of China (PRC), shared by the same claim pertaining to the Constitution of the Republic of China (ROC), that there is only one sovereign state under the name China and Taiwan is a part of China, as opposed to the idea that there are two separate sovereign states, the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC).[1][2] The "1992 Consensus", in which semiofficial representatives from the PRC and ROC "agreed" that there is only one sovereign state encompassing both mainland China and Taiwan, but disagreed about which of the two governments is the legitimate government of this state, is a product of the One-China principle.

The usual definition for Donbas. The will of the people doesn't seem to matter much in international law - for example, the Catalonians with long prison terms for advocating a referendum.
 
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What do any of the last few posts have to do with the current situation, which is a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Neither Crimea nor the Donbas region independently sought succession (both were invaded by Russia and sought separation while under Russian control) and even if they had, Russia is currently invading the rest of Ukraine.

Anyway, the legality of secession is not clear-cut but it is not a factor in the current situation.
 
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One should also not confuse the language a person speaks with that person’s political sympathies.
 
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russ_watters said:
What do any of the last few posts have to do with the current situation, which is a Russian invasion of Ukraine?
Let me rephrase: none of that has anything to do with the current situation and discussion of it is not acceptable in this thread and must end.
 
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morrobay said:
Taiwan is a homogeneous unified population. Where Ukraine is not. And you can do your searches on fascist organizations in Ukraine - and who might be supportive of them. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY
Have you no sense whatsover of the humanitarian catastrophe engulfing Ukraine and Eastern Europe? This is full-scale war in Europe. Have you really no understanding of what the Russian invasion means for everyone living in Ukraine?

There are fascist organisations here in the UK. One of them is the British National Party:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

Do you really want Putin to bomb the hell out of London as well? As a punishment for us having fascists in our midst?
 
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morrobay said:
Taiwan is a homogeneous unified population. Where Ukraine is not.
Well, now they have a pretty unified common ground :frown:

The most damaged areas so far are exactly the ones with the most Russian population. But by now, they were mostly converted to 'Russian speaking, Russian hating Ukrainians'.
 
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Keith_McClary said:
The usual definition for Donbas. The will of the people doesn't seem to matter much in international law - for example, the Catalonians with long prison terms for advocating a referendum.
Spain came down hard on the Catalonians, so Kyiv must be bombed? I'm struggling to see even a twisted, sick logic in that. As far as I can see, whatever you believe politically has left you will hardly a shred of genuine concern for your fellow human beings.

You see Ukraine being bombed and shelled and all you think about are cheap, vague jibes at Spain for its internal troubles.
 
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The 'official reasons' are ridiculous. All of them. I think this is a common pattern among those who began a war. The first cartoon in post #863 sums it up. The only 'Nazi' that fits in this context is Putin himself. I do not claim there aren't Ukrainian Nazis because I believe there are in every society. However, they haven't ever been a problem to Ukraine. Corruption was a problem. But this is exactly what Putin has to offer anyway.

I have read these days but forgotten who said it: War is always theft.
 
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Or, to quote George Orwell:

“There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless.
If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever. ”​

 
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