What Exactly Is Happening In the Arab/Persian World?

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In summary, the protests in Egypt are continuing and there are reports of violence and fires. The situation is not looking good for the government.
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nismaratwork said:
Damn...

A bunch of women slaughtered in the Ivory Coast by Gbagbo's forces. Son of a goat and a pig, miserable wretch who makes the case for contraception that he is... he had his forces do this:



THIS IS GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. NOW WATCH... it's your duty.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12656451

interesting. apparently, the guy who won't step down is catholic, and the guy who won the election is muslim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Gbagbo#2010_presidential_election
 
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What a joy, this surely won't turn into some kind of horrific religous schism... :bugeye:
 
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This doesn’t look good.
http://hken.ibtimes.com/articles/120348/20110308/egypt.htm

One killed in Coptic Christian-Muslim clash in Cairo

"Problems escalated in the village when a group of Muslims headed to the burned out church and conducted a mass Islamic prayer there," a Christian resident of Sol told Egyptian state television.
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
This doesn’t look good.

No it doesn't look good at all; it's just overshadowed by artillary bombardment and advancing pro-Ghaddaffass forces in Libya... still... Egypt is only together because of the military. Military dictatorships don't often give up power, and if they do in this climate, I'm worried that the result would be quite bad.
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
This doesn’t look good.

[STRIKE]Queue[/STRIKE]Cue Glenn Beck ranting about the Caliphate.

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nismaratwork said:
No it doesn't look good at all; it's just overshadowed by artillary bombardment and advancing pro-Ghaddaffass forces in Libya... still... Egypt is only together because of the military. Military dictatorships don't often give up power, and if they do in this climate, I'm worried that the result would be quite bad.

Yes, the MF moron is using tanks and aircraft to bombard the town of Zawiyah. :mad::mad::mad:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8975922/libyan-tanks-planes-bombard-rebel-town-residents/
 
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Char. Limit said:
[STRIKE]Queue[/STRIKE]Cue Glenn Beck ranting about the Caliphate.

Edited.

Glenn Beck
 
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WhoWee said:
Isn't he just giving a history lesson and making comparisons? This is from the Boston Public Library.

http://usiraq.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=955

I dunno, but the last time I heard him it was something along the lines of "The Muslims are going to take over everywhere and north Africa will fall and the Middle East will fall and Europe will fall and WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE UNLESS WE STOP THEM."
 
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Char. Limit said:
... and Europe will fall and WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE UNLESS WE STOP THEM."

OMG WE’RE SMOKED! Portugal, Spain, France, Germany, GB!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mXMtLmhQ74

At least they did find Egypt this time...
 
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Char. Limit said:
I dunno, but the last time I heard him it was something along the lines of "The Muslims are going to take over everywhere and north Africa will fall and the Middle East will fall and Europe will fall and WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE UNLESS WE STOP THEM."

All of that aside, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, things haven't really been that stable in the region. It's hard to say whether the Empire would have been sustained with the development of oil industries? It's possible the need to expand would have slowed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
 
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WhoWee said:
Isn't he just giving a history lesson and making comparisons?


History lesson??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

New World Order (conspiracy theory)

Christian conspiracy theories, the False Prophet will either be the last pope of the Catholic Church (groomed and installed by an Alta Vendita or Jesuit conspiracy) or a guru from the New Age movement or even the leader of an elite fundamentalist Christian organization like the Fellowship, while the Antichrist will either be the president of the European Union or the secretary-general of the United Nations or even the pan-Islamist leader of a caliphate.
 
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Glenn Beck is madder than a cut snake, and I don't think it's an act. The putz thinks god has given him a plan, and he's more paranoid than Charles Manson on meth and PCP.

If this is a history lesson, then so is the bloody Flintstones. :rolleyes:
 
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nismaratwork said:
Glenn Beck is madder than a cut snake, and I don't think it's an act. The putz thinks god has given him a plan, and he's more paranoid than Charles Manson on meth and PCP.

If this is a history lesson, then so is the bloody Flintstones. :rolleyes:

Is the Ottoman Empire (and Persian) somehow less relevant than personal opinions of Beck? Although the imagery of "Charles Manson on meth and PCP" is quite vivid and will certainly provide content to my lunch conversation.
 
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WhoWee said:
All of that aside, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, things haven't really been that stable in the region. It's hard to say whether the Empire would have been sustained with the development of oil industries? It's possible the need to expand would have slowed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

I don't think there's much that we can really do for stability. We tried mandating the regions ourselves, and that failed. We tried giving them independence, and that failed too. I think a good question is what DOES make a stable republic in the Middle East?

No really, I'd like to see that answered.
 
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WhoWee said:
Is the Ottoman Empire (and Persian) somehow less relevant than personal opinions of Beck? Although the imagery of "Charles Manson on meth and PCP" is quite vivid and will certainly provide content to my lunch conversation.

I aim to please, even when I'm being disagreeable. I'd say that former empires are object lessons, but the radical changes in technology and the advent of SSN's (Boomers) have changed matters.

Besides, where does religion fit into this, because ti's fairly critical to the psychotic hamster that runs Beck's brain.
 
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Oh hell

Al Zawiya has been "devestated", Misrata is under bombardment from the sea, Al Brega is being bombed... and the Ghaddafi thugs are disposing of bodies, and LITERALLY sweeping the streets. One reporter at least was there, and some amateur video.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/10/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=T2

GRAPHIC:
http://www.globalconflictmaps.com/2...-of-libya-fighting-in-desert-and-at-misurata/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/10/zawiya-town-itv-regime-battle

Guardian said:
Gaddafi's men are cleaning up Zawiya, the town they have finally taken after bombarding it for a week. They have brought in road sweepers to brush away the evidence of the worst fighting between Libyans in a century. It is certainly the worst devastation I've seen in any town centre.

Mix a huge IRA bomb with a tank battle and add the aftermath of an artillery barrage, and you get some idea of the damage to the centre of this town of 250,000 people. At least it used to be home to that number. When I arrived, the first journalist to enter after the fighting ended, the streets were almost deserted for half a mile in every direction beyond the main square. The only people were bands of Gaddafi's men, high on victory and bent on revenge, searching buildings for any sign of the rebels who had held them at bay for a week. A resident told us by phone two days ago that there wasn't an animal in the street or a bird in the air above Zawiya. She was right.

Dozens were killed in the battle for Martyrs' Square. There are now many more "martyrs" buried there. I counted more than 20 new graves. Clean-up crews swept furiously, trying to make the square look normal.

This is horrendous...
 
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Things continue apace... shootings in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, unrest in Morocco...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/03/13/bahrain.protests/index.html?hpt=T2

CNN said:
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Bahrain's crown prince says security is not negotiable and calls for dialogue
Riot police appear to shoot a man point blank with tear gas, a video shows
About 5,000 university students demonstrate against the government
It's one of several protests in Bahrain Sunday, eyewitnesses say

And more...
 
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turbo-1 said:
The Saudis have sent ~1000 troops into Bahrain, in a move that is making Bahrain's political opposition pretty ticked off.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/03/2011314124928850647.html

They're concerned abou their eastern Shiite provinces joining with the Shiite majority in Bahrain. At the beginning of this I mentioned that they'd be ready at any time to annex Bahrain if needed... they wont' accept a shiite schism in such a critical area.

You know what's been shockingly quiet? Iran... I'd love to know what's happening there.
 
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Lets see... Bahrain is cracking down on protestors, ejecting some journalists, and (unconfirmed) stormed the main hospital and beat some doctors for treating 'rebels'.

Then we have Libya, which is on its last legs before rebels are rounded up, or forced to scatter, making them ideal recruits for an insurgency or Al Qaeda.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/16/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=T2
 
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Hey, that's nice to see for a change!
 
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Proton Soup said:
apparently, whenever Clinton's lips are moving, she's lying. Davis is returning home after sharia law is used to pay blood money to his victims. all while Clinton is saying we didn't buy his return.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/cia-spy-murder-pakistan-blood

Well, we didn't, someone did. :rolleyes:

Well, do remember it's Clinton's job to lie... heck, she was talking about how we're poised to help the Libyans today... she's quite an accomplished storyteller.

Diplomacy:"Nothing but the skin of truth set up and stuffed." (H.W. Beecher)
 
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Have you heard about how Clinton was http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/young-leaders-of-egypts-revolt-snub-clinton-in-cairo.html?
 
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nismaratwork said:
Well, we didn't, someone did. :rolleyes:

Well, do remember it's Clinton's job to lie... heck, she was talking about how we're poised to help the Libyans today... she's quite an accomplished storyteller.

Diplomacy:"Nothing but the skin of truth set up and stuffed." (H.W. Beecher)

true. it would be fairer to say that you can't accept statements from the state dept as factual.

Char. Limit said:
Have you heard about how Clinton was http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/young-leaders-of-egypts-revolt-snub-clinton-in-cairo.html?

she's apparently still meeting with some groups there, but i can't blame them for making their point. i think at some point they would reconcile.
 
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Proton Soup said:
true. it would be fairer to say that you can't accept statements from the state dept as factual.



she's apparently still meeting with some groups there, but i can't blame them for making their point. i think at some point they would reconcile.

True... it's not Hillary as much as it's the job description. No wonder she wants out of politics after this term...


As for the latter, I didn't know until Char.Limit posted that... not surprised though. I think they will reconcile, because frankly, this relationship is too damned valuable.
 
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Proton Soup said:
apparently, whenever Clinton's lips are moving, she's lying. Davis is returning home after sharia law is used to pay blood money to his victims. all while Clinton is saying we didn't buy his return.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/16/cia-spy-murder-pakistan-blood

Well as far as the blood money(د یت) is concerned some of the religious scholars are saying that in this particular case the blood money could not have been used to pardon Raymond Davis.

About blanket immunity..., when the spokesmen of American foreign ministry was asked that why is the American government being so thankful to the relatives of the victims as Raymond had immunity and should have been released on that basis hence there would have been no need to ask for "forgiveness" in exchange of blood money..., the spokesmen could not give a satisfying answer despite the fact that the American government kept asserting that Raymond had blanket immunity and the conviction of Raymond only made it clear that he really did not had immunity i am not trying to start a debate here i am just saying that there is more to this case than just our governments and media is telling us some of our analysists are considering the release of Raymond as a result of some negotiations between ISI and CIA.

The Americans are denying that they had made payment of the blood money and so is our government i think that the relatives of the victims have not been given any money yet and their houses are locked some people are saying that they have received American passports and will probably be quietly moved to United States this matter might be over for the United States but it is not over for Pakistan.
 
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Finally

Libya: UN resolution on no-fly zone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12783819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtqRtmRQY9E


EDIT:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsvt.se%2F2.58360%2F1.2364887%2Futskriftsvanligt_format%3Fprinterfriendly%3Dtrue&act=url

French Government says a military operation against Libya could be within hours. While saying Kadaffis son Saif al-Islam to the country's army will not go into the rebel bracket Benghazi.
 
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*** LIBYA READY FOR CEASEFIRE ***

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/9034338/libya-ready-for-ceasefire-deputy-minister/
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
*** LIBYA READY FOR CEASEFIRE ***

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/9034338/libya-ready-for-ceasefire-deputy-minister/

WOW! when did this happened?? its a bit surprising because it looked the rebels we losing their momentum
 
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DevilsAvocado said:
*** LIBYA READY FOR CEASEFIRE ***

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/9034338/libya-ready-for-ceasefire-deputy-minister/

Isn't it amazing how the "Libyan Strongman" responds to a real threat?
 
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